new mustang

[dannygraves]

Its liek someone welded 8 of my zawi motors together!

id be having nightmares about rebuilding the thing

im looking at a 2-71 detroit to put in my ford ranger, because that would be sweet, and turbo it obviously

guys have been modifying DOHC modular lincoln motors and stuffing them in mustangs for years. the cams and valves make it much more expensive, but the performance gains have always been worth it. My f-150 was a very early 3 valve, so I had some cam phazer noise, but by '06 ford got all the bugs worked out of their variable came timing and the way they do it is very simple using a solenoid and oil pressure to phaze the cam. Other than cost for rebuild, I don't really see the dohc thing being a problem.
That being said, if I were to get one of these cars to build up something crazy, I'd get the camaro hands down. The aftermarket availability for the LS series motors is rediculous and if you are dumping money into it, you could also take care of the shitty gearing and trim some fat with some weight reductions. I just think for strait out of the box and drive I prefer the mustang.

[nmdesertrider]

If you like the oversized dildo look the challenger or chevy are perfect for you.
Mustang smoked them both in the quarter- what else is there to say?

[2strokeforever]

imagine what you would think if the corvette was offered in a 4 cylinder model ...
like the mustang was

[M.F.D.B.]

Dont be haten! Those things were BAD ASS!!

[2strokeforever]

what about these, some came with a 2.3 l ford ranger motor 88 horsepower and a lightening quick 1/4 mile in 19-21 seconds

Those things were BAD ASS!!

ya i know that one is a v8

[Travis]

Hey, don't knock the 4cyl mustang...

[Travis]

This is him racing at beech bend in bowling green, ky. Not far from me.

[Mad Dog]

Dont be haten! Those things were BAD ASS!!

Your such a tool. What's that got to do with anything.
Truth is, the 70's was a dark time for Detroit. Just take a look at the tire shreading 165 HP Vette. That's what we got in good ole Cali.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1975-corvette1.htm
Detroit was lost and building underperforming cars across the board.
This is when the Japs came in and well, we know what happened.

You want to spout off stats about this and that with out any real world experience. You look foolish. Go drive a Camaro and then a Mustang and get back to us.
You tout the IRS vs. the solid axle, and then criticize the OHC, 4 valve for its' technology and praise the archaic OHV. Your about as transparent as a politician trying to get reelected.
All the stats and mags don't mean spit.
The only thing that really matters is what floats your boat when you put the pedal to the metal.

Ford vs. Chevy Again!!!!!!!!!
Gotta Love It, The world is a better Place...

[dannygraves]

Hey, don't knock the 4cyl mustang...

that 2.3 could hold a lot of BOOOOOST BOOOOOOOOOOSTTTT god damn it, there I go with BOOOOOOSSSTTT again!

[dannygraves]

in 1992 my mom bought a convertable 2.3 stang, the same day me and her boyfriend convinced her to take it back and get the cali edition convertable five-OOOHH candy red, white top, white leather, white 5 spoke pony wheels and a 5 speed, the car was soo sick! not 3000 miles later she got drunk and wrapped it around a tree I'm still sad about it...

[M.F.D.B.]

Your such a tool.

You are the one name calling...

What's that got to do with anything. Truth is, the 70's was a dark time for Detroit. Just take a look at the tire shreading 165 HP Vette.

Basically everything, you drive around in that POS 4 banger Shitstang and ill drive that super unimpressive V8 Vette and lets see who gets more attention from Vagina, or is Vagina not your "thing"?

That's what we got in good ole Cali.

The Repubilic of Kommiefornia is the most poorly run, Lib ruined, state in the union, move out or stop bitching...

Detroit was lost and building underperforming cars across the board.

GM never put a 4 banger in any muscle car Ive ever seen. The 6 pack Camaro and Turbo T/A were the closest thing but they still looked like the V8 version at least.

This is when the Japs came in and well, we know what happened.

Ive seen a N/A Civic do nines, see if you can get that 4 banger "Cobra" in the 9's with no boost...

You look foolish.

No shit? Thanks for pointing that out, I had no idea, I apologize...

You want to spout off stats about this and that with out any real world experience. Go drive a Camaro and then a Mustang and get back to us.

Uhh, I have, tons of both and Firebirds, GM FTW!! The baddest Rustystaing I have personal experience with was 900hp, BIIIIGG blower. Closest a F*RD has ever gotten to beating me in a drag race/top speed run. The fastest still was the Twin Turbo SS Camaro I didnt pass by him till close to 170mph, now thats smokin! Word is that car will go over 200mph so if the road was long enough he would have caught me eventually...

You tout the IRS vs. the solid axle, and then criticize the OHC, 4 valve for its' technology and praise the archaic OHV.

Correct, IRS smokes solid, you disagree?

Criticize OHC? I LOVE OHC thats what makes my 450 smoke your archaic 500. The baddest Vette ever made was the ZR-1, qwad over head cam, 16 fuel injectors, that thing was bad ass, Lotus knew what they were doing! But look how expensive hopping that motor up is. The LS series motors are dirt dirt cheap by comparison to the OHC F*RD. So that tiny advantage the car has stock would easily be eclipsed as soon as the hop-ups started rolling in. Plus from a "tuner" standpoint, which motor would be easier to make fast programming wise? Put a cam, TB, MAF and a chip in the LS setup and then compare that cost to $$$ ratio to the F*RD...

Your about as transparent as a politician trying to get reelected.

Im the least transparent person that ever walked the planet...

All the stats and mags don't mean spit.
The only thing that really matters is what floats your boat when you put the pedal to the metal.

We agree on something else? WEIRD!

[M.F.D.B.]

This is him racing at beech bend in bowling green, ky. Not far from me.

The V8 "Stang" sounded 100,000 times cooler, but for a 4 banger that was a bad ass wheelie! LOL

[dannygraves]

the funny thing is at the end of the day all 3 cars are bad fuckign ass. You could not call any of the 3 slow, or poor handling or uncomfortable. these 3 cars break so close its like we are arguing honda vs yamaha vs kawasaki, they all kickass in their own right. I didn't start this thread to be a ford vs chevy vs dodge debate. I like the new stang, I am impressed with the fit and finish along with the badas engineering involved. I took a ford for a ride and loved it. period.
Ford vs chevy vs dodge has been a huge topic in my life lately since I have so many gear head friends and just by the nature of aftermarket and racing in general, most gearheads are GM fans. I have half the people I know giving me a hard time about buyign a ford diesel pickup and I either get "you shoulda got a dmax/cummins" or I get the "mine/my buddys cummins/dmax will spank that furd"
I seriously spend more time defending my new trucks stronger 5r110w trans, or more capable sequential turbos or high payload and towing capacity than I spend talking about all the cool shit I want to do with it. The irony of it all is that I would have gotten a chevy or dodge had I been able to get the same or better deal and honestly if I were shopping for a pony car, price and overall package would be the biggest factor between these 3 cars. for example, if I could get a fully loaded roush package stang for the price of a regular SS, or even swap that and a lt2 package ss was cheaper than a bare bone stang, well, you get the picture.

also, any one of these 3 cars will probably blow the doors off the comparable imports with 3 time the price tag I think we should all remember which team we're really on!

[M.F.D.B.]

I have actually considered a few of the hundreds of Mustystangs ive been offered for my CBR, but I sure wish id been offered even 10% of that number as Camaro/Firebird instead. Value for value the LS series cars are way better (power train wise) so only 60's models of each are comparable.

F*RD has just never had an answer to the LS motors. Who else makes a bad ass all aluminum V8 thats ultra reliable and so easy to make 400+hp?

[AlisoBob]

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GM never put a 4 banger in any muscle car Ive ever seen.

Not true.....





Chevy Cosworth Vega was pretty bad ass, once you got the EPA bullshit off.

[dannygraves]

my old machinist in San Clemente "Bob Smalls" had the cleanest cossworth vega I had ever seen.

[dannygraves]

F*RD has just never had an answer to the LS motors. Who else makes a bad ass all aluminum V8 thats ultra reliable and so easy to make 400+hp?

you don't follow ford stuff much do you? '99 and '01 cobra motors were ally block and easily make 400 rwhp. they went back to a cast iron block for the '03 blown cobra, but there is a lot of debate over the reasons, most agree on a heat/warping issue, but there are guys putting down huge numbers with all aluminum dohc modular ford motors.
oh, those car were also IRS, most racers swapped them out for a lighter live axle. the '99 irs had some shaft breakage issues, but for the '01 they added some splines to clear that up.
I'd trade my first born or my left nut for a clean black on black '03 cobra. they were a bad freaken ass 1 year car.

[Roostius_Maximus]

that OHC ford engine stuff is gravy

theyre always in the shop, theres only a few top contenders for the biggest p.o.s. out there,
truck engines, the ford ohc stuff (4.6+5.4 share the cover of reman engine distributors catalogs with the gm quad 4)
snowmobiles, the 90s polaris stuff
boat engines, the 3.0 merc/omc
car engines the gm quad 4 (a toilet of an engine right from design to production quality)
bike engines, the yamaha 5 valve 250f
tractor engines, the johndeere 466 series

its almost a guarantee that you could walk into our shop blindfolded, be spun arround and land a finger on one of those

[Roostius_Maximus]

dont get me wrong, we have a guy out there putting 980hp to the ground on the ford engine, but we see it atelast every year. The same guy drives his LS engine making more power to work daily and it hasnt been in it for 3 years

[AlisoBob]

Turbo Pinto 4 cyl...

http://pintopage.fordpinto.com/buddy.htm




BMW F1 banger... 1500cc = 1400 hp on gasoline @ 80 psi boost.

[M.F.D.B.]

Wook, the Vega wasnt a nudered Camaro or Bird...

The baddest, fastest, highest revving 4 banger turbo, blower or not, doesnt sound 1/100th as bad ass as a big ole V8 no matter who (Dodgem, F*RD, or Chevy)

Anyone here ever heard the C5R or CTS-V on the track? WOW!! That is hands down the baddest sound I have ever heard! I watched a race on TV with Surround Sound and a nice sub woofer, every time they showed an in car camera from one of those LS cars I got HUGE WOOD!

My buddy has one of those boring looking heavy late model GTO's with a couple grand in long tubes, x-pipe, etc. and bigger MAF and TB and let me tell you, just cruising around listening to that engine is pure heaven. I can litterally cruise around all day and never get bored listening to it...

Why do you guys think all those $250,000 long travel sand rails run LS motors? I see them pumpin twin turbos and NOS all day long but never seen one powered by a F*RD Mod motor. If you have no budget and want reliable (yeah not as reliable as street cars, duh) big power why pick the LS over the MOD motor nearly 100% of the time? They surely can't ALL be Chevy guys since at least half have a "Super DOOTY" of some kind TOWING the sand rail to and from... LOL

[dannygraves]

that OHC ford engine stuff is gravy

theyre always in the shop, theres only a few top contenders for the biggest p.o.s. out there,
truck engines, the ford ohc stuff (4.6+5.4 share the cover of reman engine distributors catalogs with the gm quad 4)
snowmobiles, the 90s polaris stuff
boat engines, the 3.0 merc/omc
car engines the gm quad 4 (a toilet of an engine right from design to production quality)
bike engines, the yamaha 5 valve 250f
tractor engines, the johndeere 466 series

its almost a guarantee that you could walk into our shop blindfolded, be spun arround and land a finger on one of those

you could also be blindfolded and spun around in any parking lot and find more modular fords than anything else. Ford makes as many trucks as gm and dodge combined and have been putting mondular motors in all their v8 and v10 trucks since '97 and the lincolns as far back as '91. There are simply more modular ford out there than any other v8.
My wife's '98 expy w/ 150k on the odo is holding up fine. Had to work on the a/c this weekend, ended up being the TXV for the rear a/c evaporator.
My mother in laws '00 jimmy w/ 90k was a total and complete pile, after doing intake manifold gaskets, ball joints and bushings, and a fuel pump and cat, and some sensors, and the ignition cylinder, etc etc (shit I can't even remember how much shit I replaced on that pile). Its funny my mother in law wants to buy the expy off us when we get something newer for sara.
My friend Dan at work bought a '99 tahoe a few months ago, already had the fuel pump, rad, ball joints, intake gaskets, water pump, and the pos 4l60e is on its way out. Since I've owned my wifes expy, I replaced an egr solenoid and cleaned egr, replaced the oil filter housing gasket, replaced the a/c compressor, cleaned the MAF, replaced the battery and basic maintenance. I know a lot of people call them POS, but having owned vortecs in the past, I beg to differ.
BTW, millionmilevan.com is a modular ford

[M.F.D.B.]

I seem to remember someone having to replace the same item more than once, as did the previous owner on said "Expy"...

I think too much of the facts of OEMs reliability issues get muddied by inept owners who abuse their stuff. Each manufacturer has inherent issues from time to time so I stick to personal experiences and that of people whom I trust wont lie to "get their point across".

One good thing I have going is that my whole family is gear heads and they have been professional mechanics their whole lives. This is why when my dad needs to tow something he uses his 7.3L F*RD, when he races cars, they are GM and when he buys street bikes they are Honda...

[dannygraves]

I seem to remember someone having to replace the same item more than once, as did the previous owner on said "Expy"...

the egr solenoid? The CEL said thats what it was, so I bought one, turns out Jason never cleaned the egr passage in the TB. The a/c compressor only got replaced because the front plate on the clutch fell off I got 2 defective fs10 compressors from vatozone all is well now and the driveline is solid

[M.F.D.B.]

No there was some sort of gasket that fails all the time and is not easily changed?