Obama gets his Healthcare Bill

[AlisoBob]

[NightBiker07]

we are screwed. who's ready for the civil war?

should be easy, since liberals dont like guns.

[thestuz]

a system that looks after its own people is nothimg new. most if not all civilized countries have a system like this.
for those who want better health care, private health care is still available.
we love our free health care here in aus.you can spend 7 months in hospital and not have to pay a cent which is what you need in a case like that.

[AlisoBob]

Obamas healthcare plan....isnt about "healhcare". Its like all his plans.... Its about the redistribution of wealth.

Fuck him......

[redrocket190]

Obamas healthcare plan....isnt about "healhcare". Its like all his plans.... Its about the redistribution of wealth. Fuck him......

The under-lying mind set appears to be the world must be fair, I know better than you how to run your life, there's no problem a big government program can fix, markets are inefficient, if you are rich or healthy you need to subsidize this other chap's "right" to be healthy. Philosophically it's like being from a different planet....

I pray this dies in the Senate. All the folks that think this is a good idea need to get very used to the idea of permanent unemployment in the 10% range. Why? Because that's what it's like in Europe (where the IMF is warning countries they have dangerously high commitments to welfare and health care.) I worry the $1.2 trillion price tag will suck any remaining life out of the economy. [And stuz - it's only free if you don't pay any taxes or premiums....ever.

This about sums it up....


Of course the ultimate twist here is it will be more cost-efficient to pay the penalties and not have health care and then enroll as and when you get sick knowing that the government has forced the insurers to accept you with pre-existing conditions.

There are market solutions to rising health care costs. Expose the consumer to true costs by ending the subsidies present with employer-provided plans. Allow any insurer to compete in any market. Stop the AMA controlling the number of people who can become doctors to keep labor scarce. Institute tort reform to bring down the size of medical settlements and there malpractice insurance premiums.

[thestuz]

i understand that nothings free, we all burden the load somewhere.
in my position , ive come from a lower class family in a poorer state.i work hard for a living but without public health care, i would of been broke years ago. if some richer people have to pay a little bit more,im ok with that.better than them buying another mercedes. i guess its a class divide.

[AlisoBob]

..i work hard for a living but without public health care, i would of been broke years ago.

This is a whole seprate issue.... If the good ol' U.S. of A. was a country of hard working folks like you..... public healthcare would not be the heated debate that it is.

America ( under the democratic agenda) is flipping into the land of the lazy shits of the world, who want everything for free, and want just not the rich.... but the whole working class to pay for it.

The "Entitlements" are approaching ludicris levels, with no slowing it sight.

THANKS DEMOCRATS!!!!

A listing ship, turns into a capsized ship.... in a blink of an eye.....

Dont miss it!!!

[redrocket190]

i understand that nothings free, we all burden the load somewhere.
in my position , ive come from a lower class family in a poorer state.i work hard for a living but without public health care, i would of been broke years ago. if some richer people have to pay a little bit more,im ok with that.better than them buying another mercedes. i guess its a class divide.

...as long as it's not me, right? Those evil rich people who're more successful than me can afford to pay. Wake up, there's not enough rich people to pay for all this stuff - it's the middle class that take it in the paycheck.

[redrocket190]

Two simple observations are key to explaining both the high level of spending on medical care and the dissatisfaction with that spending. The first is that most payments to physicians or hospitals or other caregivers for medical care are made not by the patient but by a third party—an insurance company or employer or governmental body. The second is that nobody spends somebody else’s money as wisely or as frugally as he spends his own.

Carpe Diem

[thestuz]

i think the public system can work and can work well in a society that functions properly. but i agree with bob, if you have a lazy society then freeloading will bring it down.unfortunatly, usa/aus are among the most obease nations in the world,along with an ageing baby boom population, you will have tremendous strain on the health care system.
if we were able to have a healthier fitter population, the burden would not be so large.acheiving this goal would be more productive.
i wasnt having a swipe at your social status. if you are rich/well off then good to you,you probably well deserve it.
but i do believe in a system that provides health care to all.(except illegals) and i believe the burden should be shared by all. a healthy society is a productive society and good to be apart of.(think i might be becoming communist lol)