DIY Radiator mounted cooling fan

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DIY Radiator mounted cooling fan

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This kinda seems redneck engineering. Mainly for the longevity of a case fan from a puter.
I figure be keeping the puter fan connector in tact, replacment of said fan at the cost 7 bucks should be simple?

My system is a regulated is 12v AC set up. The fan required 12V DC.
The need of a rectifier was address.

this is a R&D test, as I know pleanty of organge guys around here have had success in cooling. However the install made it a PITA to replace (on the average, once per season if water is not directly applied.

Looking for opinions

This was soldered when completed.
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Applied Right Stuff to mounting strip end
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Was thinking about using a thermal switch, but changed direction. Shroud mount (top) to mount a rocker switch. (the brown wires in one of the pics.

No relay needed, quick change fan, cheap.
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You are getting to hi tech for me. :roll:
Bring back the old air cooled bikes. :lol:
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I had a high output 120mm case fan on my KTM ran he bike though water washed the bike getting the fan wet alway worked ever time I like The toggle swicth my self you just turn it on when you know you are going to go slow.

Thermo swicth is nice but when they turn there selfs on you already hot.

Aftere I get a light stator I most likly go to put a fan on my CR just to be on the safe side.

I made a 90 dergee angle bracket and the bracket and swicth to the radiator Shroud so I just could reach down a flip the swicth when needed and had a rubber boot the covered the swicth to keep the water out.
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The biggest problem I've always had with my CR was constant overheating. I ride in stuff that, to give you an idea, makes Last Man Standing terrain look like 2 track.

I first fitted a KDX catch tank, then an extra Gas Gas head tube mounted catch tank, tried all sorts of coolant (other than Earls - never wanted to "Hide" too high temperatures ). Tried 1.4, 1.6 & 1.8 caps.

Then alloy in line coolers. I took the alloy coolers to the level of 780mm of finned alloy tubing & tanks on LH side ( going rearwards, down to the cases & back up to the rad) & 730mm of alloy finned tubing & tanks on RH side (going rearwards & down above pipe then up to rad) This added about 300ml to system plus a heck of a lot more radiating capacity. The lines were one of the most intricate fabs I've ever done ( and I make bicycle frames to tolerances that make Any motorcycle frame tolerances laughable ).

I've also modified the water pump impeller and the water pump housing & hose spigots.

All this helped, but still could boil in my terrain. I finally fitted fans - my preferred Spal units just would not fit, so I obtained 105cfm Delta fans (part# AFB0912SH) from US & made full cage guards for the rads that the fans mount to - I don't want anything on the radiators. My CRE has regulator/rectifier already - wired it it, with 3 position switch - Off/On/Thermo. I welded a small plate on top of the LH rad that a thermo switch bolts onto.

Here's some pics - note :pics before I fitted Thermo Switch mount plate:

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I felt the computer fans had about as much chance of surviving long as a snowflake in a heatwave. So far, with 2 years of use, in mega dust ( it's Australia, dust capital of the Universe), several bike submersion's in muddy creeks, with no problems at all. I've really been surprised by that.

The Fans work - no boil overs ,ever, now. And no need for high pressure caps ( with a 1.8. I blew a new Honda hose that required me to ride 23 miles without fluid - the poor bike just nipped up as I got to the van - how many bikes could survive that? I replaced the hose, looked up the EX. port & did another 40 hrs on that piston ) , fancy coolants ( I wanted to be able to use plain old coolant or just water for emergencies ) or other add ons. They are also great hand warmers in the winter, put it in neutral, drop hands down behind fans, perfection!

The strange 'Flying Saucer' on the head is my Auto De-compressor which I started a thread on the other site about. Others shortly after that started to make & sell head mounted, manual decomps. No cables/levers or thinking about it , you just kick. This allows me to use the short KS levers ( pictures in the AF section ) so my non bending knees can get onto the lever. Any one wanting a decomp in OZ , I can do it for you - approx $250 all up. I can also do rad cages - Have to work out the price. I make pretty much every mod on my bikes - mufflers, alloy side stand, bash plates, double resi shock, shock & fork re-valves - 12mm spanner only, one side front axle release , rear disc & chain guide shark fins, LH rear brake & mini clutch lever, etc etc. I'll be fucked if I'll buy something when I can make something a shitload better - and most things out there that people , who aren't in my position, have to buy are shit. Sorry if I read like an asshole, but it is, I believe, the truth.

Besides a full frame that I will eventually do, I'm looking at doing an alloy drop tank much like the 81/82 works 500s that I might sell. Just a question of getting enthusiastic & fitting it between work, Uni studies & a few operations I've been putting off.
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Man you sound like you are into everything. :shock:
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Nope - Know bugger all about 'puters & anything electrical makes my eyes glaze over - flat out soldering fittings to wires, but can TIG anything, but couldn't set a flame on Oxy torch to save my life - stick weld or mig - haven't touched either of those in years, other than basic tacks & emergency welds. I guess a couple of days might get me fully competent again. CNC - ?, turning handles- yes! I am a Dinosaur. Engines - do all my stuff, but I'd defer to plenty of people.

Couldn't resolve a complicated force vector equation quickly on paper or 'puter either, yet I'm qualified as Mech Eng. But got to the point that I can visualize it all in my thick head. And that accurately it leaves some of the young brainiacs I've worked with stunned. Come to think about it, I was much like them when I was a freshly qualified young fellow = smart arse little prick.

I guess I've forgotten 75% of what I've learned over the years - and the recent concussion I've had has probably cost another 10%. But many times I've dealt with massively qualified people who were utterly incompetent, if not downright dangerous, in real world engineering & many times had to rectify their F*** Ups. If more of those drongos would share my old grandads theory of knowing when you are wrong, and by definition , dangerous, there would be less for us lower qualified, but more practical blokes to sort out after them. Mind you, I've usually made good money fixing others mistakes.

Trying to learn about teaching & caring for small people ( kids ) is quite a bizarre task at the moment - studying at nearly 50 is proving to be quite a challenge. Never thought I'd have the patience to work with Autistic children - seems to be the specialty I'm going towards. Always been one of those pricks that does not suffer fools gladly. But dealing with children, no matter how 'difficult' they are, seems to be no problem for me. Very unexpected. Just wish I could understand my crazed, menopausal other half.......

I guess it's not hard to tell I haven't been riding for a few weeks -tending to ramble on. 1st ride since sconing myself in the next couple of days - yeehah!
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Nice set up!
I considered two fans, but it is not hot enough here (I think) but left a provisions to install a second if needed.

Amazing how durable you say the fans are. Good to know......
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bearorso in life there are people who have got it, then there are the people who think they have got it.
I know which ones I would like to deal with, and which ones to get rid of.
I know where you are coming from, for sure!
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Post by NightBiker07 »

a thermal switch is where its at. i used one on my streetbike electric fan conversion, and its great.

you want something like this.
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.asp ... 02-STC-170

glue to to the radiator, in a location that will get good heat Transfer. no hole drilling required.

i used a 170 to compensate for the delay in temperature changes from the coolant to the radiator to the switch. they have all different kinds, but you want a normally open switch regardless.

they automatically cycle (many switches like this have to manually be shut off, which is useless), they are good for around 100,000 cycles, and they are cheap. and good for 5 amps of current draw. they make larger ones for more draw, but not needed for this application.

best part of all, the current flowing through them does not create heat to keep the switch actuated.
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