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dannygraves · Post by **dannygraves** » October 21st, 2008, 9:18 am

mike doesn't butt weld anything

there are dowels in there

teemtrubble · Post by **teemtrubble** » October 21st, 2008, 11:05 am

Butt welds?

There is a press fit 3 inch long plug in the frame and the new cradle pieces and then they are welded along with rosettes as well. No one would butt weld a frame I think but, then again no one else heat treats their frames as far as I know.

ShanMan · Post by **ShanMan** » October 21st, 2008, 12:44 pm

Honda does!

Balaclava · Post by **Balaclava** » October 21st, 2008, 12:46 pm

Butt welds...

what do you make your plugs out of? bar stock 6061?

davo77 · Post by **davo77** » October 21st, 2008, 3:30 pm

teemtrubble wrote:Butt welds?

There is a press fit 3 inch long plug in the frame and the new cradle pieces and then they are welded along with rosettes as well. No one would butt weld a frame I think but, then again no one else heat treats their frames as far as I know.

Yeah i can see you have plugs in there, im not doubting your joint preparation or welding, your work speaks for it self and its obvious you know your shit, im just curious why you join the tubes in that location instead of back into the main casting?

teemtrubble · Post by **teemtrubble** » October 21st, 2008, 4:26 pm

Well it's easier to work with...

davo77 · Post by **davo77** » October 21st, 2008, 4:42 pm

teemtrubble wrote:Well it's easier to work with...

Fair enough

Hey mike, i remember reading in one of your old posts that you use a helium/argon mix for your shielding gas? whats the advantage of using this over straight argon when welding aluminium?

teemtrubble · Post by **teemtrubble** » October 21st, 2008, 4:47 pm

Burns hotter not a little but, much hotter

good questions I like that someone who's paying attention! No such thing as a stupid question just stupid mistakes...

Balaclava · Post by **Balaclava** » October 21st, 2008, 4:53 pm

oh sure answer his question but not my Headstay question...thanks! jk we'll see it soon enogh anyways...

teemtrubble · Post by **teemtrubble** » October 21st, 2008, 5:12 pm

Hahahahahaha Ok! 6061 on the lugs and the head stay is that better...

Post by **AlisoBob** » October 21st, 2008, 7:02 pm

teemtrubble wrote: No such thing as a stupid question just stupid mistakes...

Yup....

Balaclava · Post by **Balaclava** » October 21st, 2008, 11:06 pm

teemtrubble wrote:Hahahahahaha Ok! 6061 on the lugs and the head stay is that better...

looking forward to the pics...

juddy · Post by **juddy** » October 22nd, 2008, 11:28 pm

Just thought Id throw my bit in here as well without starting a war between the Aussies and the Yanks !.Davo77 and I are both metal fabricators,and in our trade when you "butt' 2 pipes/tubes it is commonly known as a "butt" weld.I know Mike has filled it with solid,and as tradesman Davo and I both know he does bloody nice work,but the join is still known as a butt weld.So those of you who jumped on the bandwagon about that post jumped the gun a bit !

Davo's question was simply why doesnt Mike remove the existing cradle and replace it with one piece like I have here in the pic posted which I think everyone will agree looks much more 'factory'.Again,no disrespect to Mike's way of doing it,as he said it IS a lot more work.But I am in no hurry and Mike has a business to run.

And Mike,what the hell is a rosette ? Is that what we call a plug weld ?

Balaclava · Post by **Balaclava** » October 22nd, 2008, 11:35 pm

does your clutch cover bolt not rest on that weld? that is nice work anyways...mike is doing amazing work and i don't really care what the welds are called, any thing can be smoothed out to look stock...and there is deffinately no loss of strength in those spacer welds...either way you slice it there are some talented people doing these conversions, and you're both doing real nice work. thanks for the pics...

juddy · Post by **juddy** » October 23rd, 2008, 1:32 am

The clutch cover sits about 1mm away from the weld,hence the reason I trimmed a bit of the existing material away from the top other wise I would have had to notch it anyway.Thanks for your comment about my work.

Yeah I coudnt give a shit about whether its a butt weld,fillet weld, butt in the 6G position or a smelly butt

!!! But I dont like seeing people attack others when clearly they dont understand weld terminology anyway.... The CR500RIDERS site is for that bitchy crap I thought !!!

dannygraves · Post by **dannygraves** » October 23rd, 2008, 8:17 am

nice looking cradle...
since I'm the only one who jumped in and said those aren't just butt welds, maybe you shouldn't make it sound like several people jumped in. I wasn't even being bitchy about it.
Around here we call it a butt weld if there is no plug or other inner locking mechanism.
You're starting to sound like one of those bitches on the other site

juddy · Post by **juddy** » October 23rd, 2008, 9:53 am

Thanks for the compliment !

You werent the only one to question butt welds.To be honest,from this side of the fence it kinda looked like people were just following suit.Like sheep

You will notice there is no bitchiness from me,I just tell things as I see them with an open mind and in an adult way,and am sorry if I have misjudged your comments.

And no,Im not a bitch from the other site,far from it.

dannygraves · Post by **dannygraves** » October 23rd, 2008, 10:14 am

cool, stand up guy, like most aussies I've encountered

south central hoon · October 23rd, 2008, 10:40 am

juddy wrote:Just thought Id throw my bit in here as well without starting a war between the Aussies and the Yanks !.Davo77 and I are both metal fabricators,and in our trade when you "butt' 2 pipes/tubes it is commonly known as a "butt" weld.I know Mike has filled it with solid,and as tradesman Davo and I both know he does bloody nice work,but the join is still known as a butt weld.So those of you who jumped on the bandwagon about that post jumped the gun a bit !

Davo's question was simply why doesnt Mike remove the existing cradle and replace it with one piece like I have here in the pic posted which I think everyone will agree looks much more 'factory'.Again,no disrespect to Mike's way of doing it,as he said it IS a lot more work.But I am in no hurry and Mike has a business to run.

And Mike,what the hell is a rosette ? Is that what we call a plug weld ?

regional nomenclature aside, that is beautiful work.

Juddy can you tell us more about your project? if you are interested in starting a thread I am sure there would be eager viewers.

teemtrubble · Post by **teemtrubble** » October 23rd, 2008, 11:03 am

Hey Juddy!

Yes a rosette is a plug. I think some of the questions led some people to believe that some people assumed it was a standard "butt" weld "with out a lug inside" that's all no one was attacking anyone...

For the record my lugs aren't solid by the way and are machined and not extruded the shielding gas is 75% helium and 25% argon and the rod is 4000 series so we can heat treat it and the machine is set at about 225 amps I hope this answers questions for people as well. I build bikes becaue I love to not because it's my business and the day it becomes something I have to do to feed my family will be the last day I build a bike for anyone...

One more thing your work is beautiful from whatever side of the fence I'm on...

"SOLID Bro!!" · Post by **"SOLID Bro!!"** » October 23rd, 2008, 11:24 am

Mike your my Hero!!!

Hey check this out. Because you brought up grades the other
night at boB's birthday party.
the oldest came home with a Solid B average.
and the youngest a Solid A

Proud I am

teemtrubble · Post by **teemtrubble** » October 23rd, 2008, 1:23 pm

[quote=""SOLID", Bro!"]Mike your my Hero!!!

Hey check this out. Because you brought up grades the other
night at boB's birthday party.
the oldest came home with a Solid B average.
and the youngest a Solid A

Proud I am

[/quote]

"SOLID"

Post by **AlisoBob** » October 23rd, 2008, 5:00 pm

[quote=""SOLID", Bro!"]
The oldest came home with a Solid B average.
and the youngest a Solid A

Proud I am

[/quote]

lewisclan · Post by **lewisclan** » October 23rd, 2008, 5:47 pm

nice work dad

juddy · Post by **juddy** » October 23rd, 2008, 9:41 pm

Juddy can you tell us more about your project? if you are interested in starting a thread I am sure there would be eager viewers.

Like Davo said in his post,I am making a career out of it so I wasnt planning on posting a thread till Im a bit nearer to completion.Just dont want to drag it out to long on here thats all.But.....at least you have seen some pics of my work unlike some others on this site that claim to have several A/F's

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