Aussie Ray Gen 4 / CRF450R 06
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speedway501
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Aussie Ray Gen 4 / CRF450R 06
Having trouble posting picture.
Last edited by speedway501 on March 21st, 2010, 1:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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speedway501
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RideRed
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King of the 500
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Thats what I want to do with my frame is that hard to bend the tubeing.
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RideRed
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RideRed
Well in my experience, 6061-T6 wont bend without heat. The process is called "annealing". I used 6063-T6 and it had just the right amount of elasticity to bend without cracking. No heat treatment was needed.King of the 500 wrote:Thats what I want to do with my frame is that hard to bend the tubeing.
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King of the 500
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100hp honda
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100hp honda
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im not aware of any 6061 T0 1"x1" with .125 thickness and .125 radius, unless im looking in the wrong place. only option ive found is T6. anneal the new tubes, then bring the whole chassis back to T6 after welding, sounds logical to megregrobo wrote: whats the point of buying 6061 t6 if it needs to be annealed so you have lost the t6 if it isnt heat treated
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RideRed
My welder has been in the aluminum working / welding business for 24 years. He builds sprint cars mostly, but does many other things as well. He said that the only time aluminum needs to be heat treated is after the initial annealing. So in effect, the only time it would need to be heat treated for strength is after its been heated to bend. If that makes sense.
Quick facts from my welder himself:
1. 6061-T6 needs annealed to bend, 6063-T6 does not.
2. 6061-T6 is stronger in a straight line, but not as strong when bent.
3. It will run you approx. $70-$150+ per rail to anneal 6061-T6 just so that you are able to bend it. 6063-T6 is NOT easy to bend, but responds far better to bending then 6061-T6. At $150+ each, you better be darned sure about your bends.
4. And for the biggest reason for why he recommended 6063-T6 over 6061-T6 is that after you go through all the effort and cash to anneal, bend & heat treat the 6061-T6, it will end up weaker than it was before the process began, effectively making the 6061-T6 equal to or lesser than in strength to the 6063-T6. Once it has been through both heat processes and has been bent, it will never be as strong as it was before. So its a waste of your money to go through the process and have almost the same exact thing as the 6063-T6.
Quick facts from my welder himself:
1. 6061-T6 needs annealed to bend, 6063-T6 does not.
2. 6061-T6 is stronger in a straight line, but not as strong when bent.
3. It will run you approx. $70-$150+ per rail to anneal 6061-T6 just so that you are able to bend it. 6063-T6 is NOT easy to bend, but responds far better to bending then 6061-T6. At $150+ each, you better be darned sure about your bends.
4. And for the biggest reason for why he recommended 6063-T6 over 6061-T6 is that after you go through all the effort and cash to anneal, bend & heat treat the 6061-T6, it will end up weaker than it was before the process began, effectively making the 6061-T6 equal to or lesser than in strength to the 6063-T6. Once it has been through both heat processes and has been bent, it will never be as strong as it was before. So its a waste of your money to go through the process and have almost the same exact thing as the 6063-T6.
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RideRed
An easy way to post pics (without changing image hosting service) is to:
1. Right click on the mouse (while pointed on the image), go to properties, then left click the mouse.
2. Highlight the Address/URL code and copy it.
3. Paste it into your message.
4. Once pasted into your message, highlight it again. While it's still highlighted, click on the 4th icon over from the top right which says IMG.
It says "Insert Image"
It will wrap the words like this: [img]BillyJoeBobsCR500image.png[\img]
and then when you post your message, the picture will appear.
(sounds complex, but after you do it a few times it becomes second nature)
NOTE: This only works if you already have your pictures online using some sort of image hosting service, ie. imageshack, photobucket etc...
If your pictures are only on your computer, you will still need to upload them to a image hosting service. It wont work if you try to go from your computer straight to here.
1. Right click on the mouse (while pointed on the image), go to properties, then left click the mouse.
2. Highlight the Address/URL code and copy it.
3. Paste it into your message.
4. Once pasted into your message, highlight it again. While it's still highlighted, click on the 4th icon over from the top right which says IMG.
It says "Insert Image"
It will wrap the words like this: [img]BillyJoeBobsCR500image.png[\img]
and then when you post your message, the picture will appear.
(sounds complex, but after you do it a few times it becomes second nature)
NOTE: This only works if you already have your pictures online using some sort of image hosting service, ie. imageshack, photobucket etc...
If your pictures are only on your computer, you will still need to upload them to a image hosting service. It wont work if you try to go from your computer straight to here.
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speedway501
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I used the 6061-T6 tubing. They were bent using a mates manual pipe bender. The bender had no problem handling the tubing using 4' or 5' handle. The die was a square tubing type with no crushing knob.
Took about 10 minutes to make up two sets. I think when they are welded and motor is bolted in they will be plenty strong enough.
Took about 10 minutes to make up two sets. I think when they are welded and motor is bolted in they will be plenty strong enough.