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Forming the Fuel Tank

Posted: December 10th, 2009, 3:01 am
by AlisoBob
Heres the basics of forming the fuel tank for a CRF250 based conversion..... starting with the tank itself

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That lump is what causes all the problems, it interferes with the spark plug, and the coolant hoses.

To correct this, you need to reform this lump into a depression. I'll describe the best method I've found to do this...

What dosent work? Heating up the area you intend to push on.... Its gets too soft, too sticky, and you'll end up pushing right through...

What does work? Heating up all around the area you wish to reshape, letting the heat migrate, and pushing on the center, which is still relativly cool....

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The white ring is the area you want to heat up..... and by heat.... I mean HOT!!!! Hot like you can smell it... It takes a while, I use two heat guns ( Which is why there are no "action shots" on me doing this task) Pay close attention the the areas at 9 o'clock, and 3 o'clock. Your asking the material in these areas to move considerably. What your trying to acheive is making this convex shape, concave. These two areas are your biggest concern.

The area you will push on is just to the left of the left side bolt that holds the outlet in place. You will need the outlet attached, as if you try to form the tank with it missing, you will never get it back in.

So, the outlet is in, you have allot of heat available, and you have the balls to potentionally ruin your new $200 fuel tank... lets begin!!

I do it with the tank on the floor, nestled between some 4x4's to keep it rocking around.... this is for the first portion on the heating.

Start heating it up... it takes awhile.... keep the heat moving, and focus on the 3 and 9 o'clock positions... did I mention to get it really HOT ?

Keep going, and ocasionally give it a test push. I use a wooden hammer handle. If you have to use much pressure, its nowhere near hot enough.

At some point, its going to get pliable. Push with the hammer handle, and the area should feel like its going to spring in, and form a depression. If the depression is forming unevenly, apply more heat the the side that is giving the reesistance. If the heat is HOT enought, and well balanced.... it should not require much effort at all.

KEEP HEATING THE 3 AND 9 O'CLOCK POSITIONS!!!!

When you think the time is right, give it a push.... I move the 4x4's out of the way, and "grasp" the fuel tank with my shoes while I push. It should flatten out, then spring inwards. DONT FORCE IT!! Add more heat if needed.

If its hot enough, it will pop right it...... It will look something like this....

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Once the depression is formed, hold it in place with the hammer handle, and dump cold water on it to cool it and make the plastic take a set.

Anyone spot the fuck up in the photo??? Yup, not enough heat at 9 o'clock...

No biggie, and its not worth trying to correct. The area that needed moving has enough room. Its all risk with no reward to try to reheat the tank for this small conmetic issue.

Here's the side view....

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Fits perfect..... no big deal..... remember.... Heat is your best friend to do this correctly!!!!

Posted: January 10th, 2010, 11:09 am
by robertg
Is the Acerbis easier to modify than the Clarke or IMS? Has anyone tried to use vacuum to modify their tank? I was thinking of hooking up my shop vac to the inlet, and then heating.

Posted: February 18th, 2010, 6:55 pm
by AlisoBob
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This is exactly what you dont want to do.....

If you have any questions, ask away before ruining your fuel tank....


~The Management~

Posted: February 18th, 2010, 6:59 pm
by "SOLID Bro!!"
AlisoBob wrote:Image

This is exactly what you dont want to do.....

If you have any questions, ask away before ruining your fuel tank....


~The Management~

Bob WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO THAT TANK?

I thought I learned you how to do it right.

Posted: February 18th, 2010, 7:01 pm
by "SOLID Bro!!"
robertg wrote:Is the Acerbis easier to modify than the Clarke or IMS? Has anyone tried to use vacuum to modify their tank? I was thinking of hooking up my shop vac to the inlet, and then heating.

I would think that you wouldn't have "control" of it.

Posted: February 18th, 2010, 7:31 pm
by AlisoBob
[quote=""SOLID Bro!!""]
I thought I learned you how to do it right.[/quote]

I learned how to do it, from a dude in Colorado....

:roll:

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 10:06 am
by AlisoBob
[quote=""SOLID Bro!!""]
robertg wrote:Is the Acerbis easier to modify than the Clarke or IMS? Has anyone tried to use vacuum to modify their tank? I was thinking of hooking up my shop vac to the inlet, and then heating.

I would think that you wouldn't have "control" of it.[/quote]

:idea: :idea: :idea:

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 10:42 am
by mxdogger
alisobob do you think the new tank is easier to from than a used one since the used one has been exposed to heat, sun and fuel ?

I ask because when i did my stock tank i heated the are you show but got no results. so i heated in the center of that area and worked my way out slowly pushing it in as i went, came out nice.

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 2:09 pm
by AlisoBob
mxdogger wrote: I ask because when i did my stock tank i heated the are you show but got no results.
Im switching to another language, as english dosent seem to work.

El uso del calor más maldito de Dios en el tanque de combustible!!

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 3:17 pm
by lewisclan
got it

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 3:20 pm
by sabreguy
AlisoBob wrote:
mxdogger wrote: I ask because when i did my stock tank i heated the are you show but got no results.
Im switching to another language, as english dosent seem to work.

El uso del calor más maldito de Dios en el tanque de combustible!!
I think you should speak in "Wookie"

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 3:32 pm
by mxdogger
sorry, i have been working alot and im beat. when i heated the area you show in your pics the area didn't move very much so i tried it the way i explained. at least i didn't do a ridered :lol:
im more interested if the difference in a new tank verse's an old one can cause problems with forming(old plastic hardening )
AlisoBob wrote:
mxdogger wrote: I ask because when i did my stock tank i heated the are you show but got no results.
Im switching to another language, as english dosent seem to work.

El uso del calor más maldito de Dios en el tanque de combustible!!

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 3:39 pm
by AlisoBob
sabreguy wrote: I think you should speak in "Wookie"
Heat that mutha' fukin thing up.... HOT!!!!

Posted: February 28th, 2010, 3:56 pm
by mxdogger
heres mine and i have clearance for everything, i did mod the top mount about 1/16th-1/8th to get more clearance Image

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 7:07 am
by redrocket190
I finally went to fit my hand-crafted "Aliso Bob" Acerbis tank and found that it fit perfectly except that the nose extends too far forward to allow the use of the steering damper post. I'm kind of surprised because these tanks are targeted at off-road use where dampers are more prevalent, but it is what it is.

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 7:14 am
by AlisoBob
redrocket190 wrote: but it is what it is.
http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/ ... &start=431

My Sub Bar mount setup worked perfectly, after drilling one new hole.

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Posted: March 1st, 2010, 7:29 am
by britincali
How do you like the damper?

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 7:31 am
by AlisoBob
Takes the twitchiness out of the Gen 4 chassis.

I still weave like a drunk, British, car salesman in sand washes though....

:cry:

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 7:35 am
by britincali
Thats weird, mines solid as a rock through the sand now as long as I turn it up to 5 or so :?


Without a shodow of a doubt the best mod Ive ever done.


Does yours need servicing?



At adelanto there was one spot where riders were almost eating it from massive headshake, there was a guy next to the track that would shout HONDA everytime! Something about hondas and there steering geomatry without a damper just wants to kill people on braking bumps...

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 7:38 am
by britincali
This is fukin weird!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I think this is the first time ever Ive talked to you on the board about a real bike topic :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 7:38 am
by AlisoBob
britincali wrote: Does yours need servicing?


No, I need riding lessons......

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 4:03 pm
by redrocket190
I am a dolt. I forgot to ask whether you drilled a new mounting hole in the frame....

...and the damper is great. 7-8 clicks out from fully stiff.

Posted: March 1st, 2010, 4:40 pm
by ISBB
Mine is in the same spot.. bout 8 clicks out

Posted: March 10th, 2010, 7:24 am
by homenf
redrocket190 wrote:I am a dolt. I forgot to ask whether you drilled a new mounting hole in the frame....

...and the damper is great. 7-8 clicks out from fully stiff.
http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/ ... &start=431

Posted: March 15th, 2010, 1:58 am
by brebel
Like your work Alisobob, heres a few piccies of mine:
S/H tank on left, my effort on right;Image
I relocated the fuel cock;Image
I like how the fuel cock is the lowest point on the tank;Image