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I just watched "Sicko" by Micheal Moore last night and was shocked. If you have seen the movie then you probably was pretty shocked too! If you haven't seen it, then you really should. But Moore's movies always bring lots of critisism, doubt and such, so I thought I'd see myself.

I'd always heard very negative things about the Health care system in Canada and Britian etc, but never bothered to ask people who actually live there and use their health care. I know people from other countries post here. So please, tell us how it is in your country, the positive's, negs, etc.

that guy is a total douche bag....
But, our health care is a fucking joke! the libs give all the broke bastard top notch healthcare for not a penny, the rich fuckers buy the best care money can buy... then there is the rest of us....

dannygraves wrote:that guy is a total douche bag....

He is, but his projects raise some pretty important questions....

I have wanted to see this for quite some time.... kinda fell off the radar....

Thanks for reminding me....

AlisoBob wrote:

dannygraves wrote:that guy is a total douche bag....

He is, but his projects raise some pretty important questions....

I have wanted to see this for quite some time.... kinda fell off the radar....

Thanks for reminding me....

Netflix!

Saw it a while ago,Fuggin unreal eh,Healthcare in Nunavut,Canada is pretty good,I don't pay a cent for anything but the Nurses who take the Jobs in the North are Basically the ones who can't get a job down south,its kinda scary sometimes,Tylenol is the cure all drug up here or Motrin when the Tylenol runs out ,they are pretty dumb sometimes too,last year I broke my hand & they put a splint kinda thing on there here in town then sent me to Yellowknife(thats a $1600.00 plane ticket + a hotel for the night)the hospital in Yellowknife took the thing off they put on here and did the exact same thing but a little neater,kinda seemed like a waste of gov't money to me sending me down there to do the same thing they did here but hey I got a free trip to YK so I can't complain,I remember when I was younger living in NovaScotia only a percentage was covered though,not sure how it works in the South now,been up here since 01

Ive lived and been treated in national heathcare hospitals and private ones..


National heathcare

Pros :- Can get fixed for free

Cons :- Pay a shitload more in taxes

Pros :- Not worried about visit a doc or calling an ambulance

Cons :- 15+ hours in the ER waiting room sometimes

Pros :- Can get fixed for free

Cons :- Get a useless doctor who has been on his feet for 32+ hours and loose a limb.

Pros :- get fixed for free

Cons :- Waiting list for anything big, lots and lots of people die while waiting for transplants and complicated operations



Thats all I can think of at the mo!


IMO I like socialised healthcare, Ive been in hospital a few times andf it flat sux having to fill out 15 carbon copys of paper while bleeding all over just to get a doc to see you.

If the insurance companys were made to be accountable and not fuk so many people and make so much money private healthcare would work a lot better but as usual the mighty dollar and greed fucks up everything.

kkvslayer wrote:I broke my hand & they put a splint kinda thing on there here in town ...

What your describing is First Aid.

You find you have a brain tumor any where else in the world.... your dead meat.

Not here in the USA

Our system needs a revamp, but its the best care you can get.

AlisoBob wrote:

kkvslayer wrote:I broke my hand & they put a splint kinda thing on there here in town ...

You find you have a brain tumor any where else in the world.... your dead meat.

Not here in the USA

Our system needs a revamp, but its the best care you can get.

Thats a bullshit statement.

AlisoBob wrote:

kkvslayer wrote:I broke my hand & they put a splint kinda thing on there here in town ...

What your describing is First Aid.

You find you have a brain tumor any where else in the world.... your dead meat.

Not here in the USA

Our system needs a revamp, but its the best care you can get.

According to the movie (not me), we don't have the best care, not even close (something like 63rd in the world). They showed people dying because thier insurance companies would not approve needed (and known) treatments. Even a young child died because the mothers insurance company refused to pay for the care at a hospital "outside" its network, even though she was running a very high fever, and in serious danger.
Anyhow, thats why I started this thread, to see from real people, how it is. The movie showed everything being all peaches and creme in the countries were socialised heatlh care is provided, but I knew that couldn't be 100% the case.

I thought the whole point of the movie was that Healthcare in the US sucks?

Anyone with money, no matter what country their in, jumps on a plane and heads straight here for healthcare for a serious problem....

I dont see anyone heading to the UK for a brain tumor removal...

AlisoBob wrote:Anyone with money, no matter what country their in, jumps on a plane and heads straight here for healthcare for a serious problem....

I dont see anyone heading to the UK for a brain tumor removal...

Good point!

The State-sponsored system in the UK is good, but rationed by waiting list. People go "private" - locally or abroad - to avoid the wait.

redrocket190 wrote: People go "private" - locally or abroad - to avoid the wait.

I'm not rich or a damn celebrity so i am fortunate for my healthcare...Obviously we pay for it anyways in taxes but whatever...

kkvslayer, i would love to go to Nunavut! that's intense that you are all the way up there! i bet it's just as cold in winnipeg as it is in Iqaluit. Yellowknife must be cool...i've never even been ANYwhere close to up there...would love to go though...

I hate hospitals and nurses and doctors quite a bit, but i have to say i really appreciate the work my surgeon did on my ankle...Without him i would never be able to walk again, and getting it all for free is a huge bonus...

I'm sure america is the hot spot for big time rich super specialist doc's, but if it costs you 30000$ to fix a broken ankle and stay in the hospital, i don't give a fuck who you are, you will be feeling that bill...And i can't even imagine how much that would affect an average families budget...

redrocket190 wrote:The State-sponsored system in the UK is good, but rationed by waiting list. People go "private" - locally or abroad - to avoid the wait.

...and this why.

Stewart Fleming was lucky, according to some. He lived in England which has nationalized health care. I won't say his treatment was free, after all he was very heavily taxed to pay for the care so that it would be there when he needed it.

And he needed it. Mr. Fleming, 37, was attacked by a virus that was devastating his body. His physician was horrified by what he found and called the local hospital to tell them of Mr. Fleming's condition. The doctor gave Fleming's wife, Sarah, a note explaining to the hospital exactly how urgent Mr. Fleming's condition was. The virus was attacking his heart and other major organs. The matter was very serious indeed.

When the Fleming family arrived at Medway Maritime Hospital, Sarah gave the staff the note from the physician urging the immediate admission of the father of two. Sarah was told to get to the end of the line and wait. The English National Health Service has rules about quickly a patient must be seen after admission to the hospital. As I've reported before the way the NHS gets around the rule is to simple force sick patients to wait and wait and wait before they admit them. By shifting the waiting time to "pre-admission" they can claim prompt service after admissions. A patient, who can't be seen for eight hours is thus left sitting for five hours before admission and then the NHS claims the patient only had to wait three after since the "official" waiting time only begins at admission.

And that is what happened to Mr. Fleming. The hospital refused to admit him immediately. Instead they left him waiting for hours. First, he waited for hours before he was admitted and then he waited hours before seen by a physician. And this was an urgent case. Sarah Fleming said they arrived at in Emergency care "before 5:30 pm. He was finally called through to be examined at 11 pm."

As Mr. Fleming was waiting the virus continued to attack his heart and his liver and his kidneys. He was put into a medically induced coma but that didn't help. The doctors amputated a leg that was infected hoping that would help. Unfortunately it was too late. The virus had spread too far and a few days later Fleming died. But the care was free (if you don't count the taxes)!

When the Medway NHS Foundation Trust was asked to comment about their treatment Mr. Fleming the spokeswoman for the government hosptial said: "Due to patient confidentiality we are unable to discuss any details." See, even now they are just thinking of Mr. Fleming's well-being. Fleming leaves behind his wife of 15 years, Sarah, his daughter Lauren, 14, and a son, Matthew, 12.

Regarding Michael Moore he is a far left propagandist, America hater and anything he produces is bad for America and is inteded to embarrass us to the rest of the world.

mega491 wrote:Regarding Michael Moore he is a far left propagandist, America hater and anything he produces is bad for America and is inteded to embarrass us to the rest of the world.

Have you seen "Bowling For Columbine"? I can't argue with Moore's points about the media de-sensitizing the public to violence-----it's what garners nightly news ratings and such.

I could never be confused for a pacifist, but hell, you gotta admit, we kill the shit out of each other in this country with guns. If we had no guns, we'd probably be using clubs, knives or slingshots though.

Exnav wrote:

mega491 wrote:Regarding Michael Moore he is a far left propagandist, America hater and anything he produces is bad for America and is inteded to embarrass us to the rest of the world.

Have you seen "Bowling For Columbine"? I can't argue with Moore's points about the media de-sensitizing the public to violence-----it's what garners nightly news ratings and such.

I could never be confused for a pacifist, but hell, you gotta admit, we kill the shit out of each other in this country with guns. If we had no guns, we'd probably be using clubs, knives or slingshots though.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that was the point of his movie. I'm sure he said that guns are bad but his main point was the difference in media coverage of violence, news especially.

He said that Canada actually has just as many guns as us but far fewer deaths from them.

The bottom line is: You can always outlaw guns, but then only outlaws have them. That would not be a good situation. If I was a crook and looking to rob/rape/whatever, I would probably prefer someone who will not shoot back.

redrider wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that was the point of his movie. I'm sure he said that guns are bad but his main point was the difference in media coverage of violence, news especially.

I didn't state that as being "the" point of the movie, only "A" point in the movie.

Moore claims to be a lifetime member of the NRA.

I still don't like the fat fawk.

i dont usually post on stuff like this , well take it as a word of warning if u like .... dont ever get sick or hurt in ireland .... our health systme is a shambles , hospitals are way under staffed , have no budgets , just during the week on the radio one hospital not far from me had 60 patients on gurneys in the ER waiting for a bed in a ward !!!! , i done ligament in my ankle a few years back , i signed in to be seen in the ER and an LED sign on the wall stated a 24 hour wait , WTF !!! i hobbled out and rested
the so called government is and has been under the hammer for years over this and still NO improvement what so ever ... rant over

The thought of government managed healthcare in the US certainly does not inspire confidence to say the least.

Well, Obama is all for socialized healthcare...