Ahhh damn 3? Bastage.dannygraves wrote:well, the way I see it... I now own 3 cr500 AFs, so if I reduce myself down to a gen-3 sick dunes bike, then buy a '09 crf450, if it blows, I'll be the first to do a gen-5!
I just REALLY like the idea of fuel injection! I ride in a lot of different elevations and jetting gets real old.
I don't know, just a thought.
Is jetting really that big of problem. I'm hearing alot of folks talk about this like jetting has become difficult overnight! A CR500 is stupid fast at sea level and 5,000 ft. And making the appropriate jetting changes to do so takes less time than cleaning an air filter. I like carbs...for dirt bikes. FI is just another thing to go wrong, which it will. Sportbikes have used FI for years and there isn't a track day goes by somebodies 600 or 1000 doesn't get pushed back to the trailer because of a FI hiccup. My RC occasionally has a hiccup here or there strangely for a split second. Fortunately hasn't caused a DNF...yet. It's a step forward in terms of performance for sure and another source to modify engines from. But when it comes to dirt bikes, I'm a firm believer in "reliability counts". There is nothing wrong with carbs...their simplicity is what makes them special. A poorly carbureted bike still runs. A fuel injected bike with a hiccup needs pushed. The 2009 Honda CRF450R is more reason for me not to like fourstrokes. Yet even MORE $$$ I can spend on a high maintanence bitch that won't love me backdannygraves wrote: I just REALLY like the idea of fuel injection! I ride in a lot of different elevations and jetting gets real old.
I don't know, just a thought.
Now if they dropped the price of next years model $800 then I'd say, "Hell yeah, that's a sweet ass bike!" But it looks to be just another improved platform for a CR500 motor... yeah, if I were riding MX or trail, I wouldn';t be as worried about jetting, and just guess what changes need to be made before the ride. but in the sand dunes when you put a tremendous load on the motor and hold it WFO for rediculous amounts of time, you have a fine gap between blubber and having a shitty ride, and big badaboom from a lean condition. when we spend all summer riding apex, then go down to dumont I easily spend and hour or 2 getting my jetting just right. Of coarse, sinc eI would still have my sick dunes bike, the jetting will still be there, but if I only ride dumont, then I will only have to make slight adjustments for temp changesMICK wrote:Is jetting really that big of problem. I'm hearing alot of folks talk about this like jetting has become difficult overnight! A CR500 is stupid fast at sea level and 5,000 ft. And making the appropriate jetting changes to do so takes less time than cleaning an air filter. I like carbs...for dirt bikes. FI is just another thing to go wrong, which it will. Sportbikes have used FI for years and there isn't a track day goes by somebodies 600 or 1000 doesn't get pushed back to the trailer because of a FI hiccup. My RC occasionally has a hiccup here or there strangely for a split second. Fortunately hasn't caused a DNF...yet. It's a step forward in terms of performance for sure and another source to modify engines from. But when it comes to dirt bikes, I'm a firm believer in "reliability counts". There is nothing wrong with carbs...their simplicity is what makes them special. A poorly carbureted bike still runs. A fuel injected bike with a hiccup needs pushed. The 2009 Honda CRF450R is more reason for me not to like fourstrokes. Yet even MORE $$$ I can spend on a high maintanence bitch that won't love me backdannygraves wrote: I just REALLY like the idea of fuel injection! I ride in a lot of different elevations and jetting gets real old.
I don't know, just a thought.
true, my gen-4 is a lot easier to keep running right since it is a stock motor.Exnav wrote:Yea Danny, but your Gen 1 is a little out there on the edge. Stock 500, no port work a little less finicky to tune no?
Your kidding right??? I've seen WAY more bikes have carb issues than FI issues, street or dirt. If you know what you're doing, either one seems to work flawlessly......it's the guys who DON'T know what their doing that causes trouble. And experimentation on either will greatly heighten the chance of failure. Inside sources tell me the RMZ450 injection wasn't touched all year on the Makita Suzuki bikes. The carb guy ended up cleaning the bike cause he was bored......Sportbikes have used FI for years and there isn't a track day goes by somebodies 600 or 1000 doesn't get pushed back to the trailer because of a FI hiccup.
No I'm not kidding...but I agree atleast partly to what you said. This is the difference as I see it. Poor jetting sucks, poor fuel injection is a BIG FUCKING problem! Worst case scenario may cause engine failure for each. But a carburetor is fixed for dimes and nickles whereas a stab at a fuel injection problem costs as much as a complete two stroke rebuild and you'd better hope the problem is resolved. Most carb problems can be fixed with a screw driver. No FI problem is fixed without $$Skidmark wrote:Your kidding right??? I've seen WAY more bikes have carb issues than FI issues, street or dirt. If you know what you're doing, either one seems to work flawlessly......it's the guys who DON'T know what their doing that causes trouble. And experimentation on either will greatly heighten the chance of failure.
I heard that on television too...good for Makita Suzuki. Those mechanics work hard and deserve some slack. But I gives a shit what factory mechanics do. They aren't going to come push my bike back to the truck and fix my FI problems.Skidmark wrote:Inside sources tell me the RMZ450 injection wasn't touched all year on the Makita Suzuki bikes. The carb guy ended up cleaning the bike cause he was bored......
no, I spent more time recovering from my injuries than either! 