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Top end questions

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 4:37 am
by Fletch 2
I recently bought an aftermarket gasket kit for the 500 (should have gone genuine i know). I am wondering though, should the cylinder base gasket be a metal gasket the same as the head gasket? What do you get in a geniune kit? Also, i gotta get new piston and rings, iv seen a couple of brands like wiesco, vortex and pro x but any suggestions what i should go with for value for money being that they seem to vary in price a bit?
Thanks.

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 7:21 am
by lewisclan
a stock base gasket is made of a paper type stuff. I run wiseco in all my re-builds

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 7:40 am
by nmdesertrider
I run cast , if you put them next to each other the vertex has a much better finish than the prox.

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 7:55 am
by AlisoBob
Yup..... Vertex.

:wink:

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 10:05 am
by Ported&Polished
Vertex piston, Wiseco gaskets. And yes Wiseco has a metal base gasket, it rocks. :wink:

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 11:09 am
by AlisoBob
No "Pusha -the- Outie"

:wink:

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 11:56 am
by dannygraves
the wiseco gaskets are cometic. I find the cometic topend gasket sets on ebay for like $17 all the time, so I always have an extra. The cometic base gasket is a metal shim style.

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 11:57 am
by dannygraves
oh, and I always use wiescos at .0045"

Posted: August 13th, 2008, 3:10 pm
by Blusmbl
Yep, what Danny said. The Cometic sets have the steel shim base gasket, don't leave home without it. :D

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 12:12 am
by Fletch 2
Good stuff! Steel it is.

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 12:26 am
by ou812
Have we beat the dead horse to death yet?

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 6:15 am
by lewisclan
nope OEM baby

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 7:47 am
by teemtrubble
lewisclan wrote:nope OEM baby
X2

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 12:53 pm
by iggys-amsoil
Should anyone happen to get one of those K&S kits off ebay don't use the base gasket. Its a fiber materal and will leak soon after.

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 12:53 pm
by iggys-amsoil
Should anyone happen to get one of those K&S kits off ebay don't use the base gasket. Its a fiber materal and will leak soon after.

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 12:54 pm
by iggys-amsoil
Should anyone happen to get one of those K&S kits off ebay don't use the base gasket. Its a fiber materal and will leak soon after.

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 5:59 pm
by 100hp honda
most of us been saying that for years. aparently you and mfdb missed the memo :lol:. werent you also the one using the $9 ebay crank bearings ? :shock: wich reminds me, how they holding up ?

Posted: August 14th, 2008, 10:58 pm
by iggys-amsoil
Oh the ones made in China ? :shock: :lol: for $32 a pair. :lol:

There's a lot of hours on those @ 50:1 and holding up so far. Man I got like 25 races on those 35-40 track practices and who knows how many free rides.

I guess not everything from there is crap. I just don't like supporting them :?

Posted: August 15th, 2008, 7:58 am
by dannygraves
100hp honda wrote:most of us been saying that for years. aparently you and mfdb missed the memo :lol:. werent you also the one using the $9 ebay crank bearings ? :shock: wich reminds me, how they holding up ?
I learned the hard way... have a k&s base gasket blow out on both sides, and had some "boss" main bearings crumble! :shock: the balls fell to peices and bounced around :shock: and the seals that came with them sucked. as far as K&S goes, the center case and side cover gaskets hold up fine, just the base gasket is too weak and blows out. The k&s seals are junk.
I only use honda bearings and seals now, whichever gaskets I've got for the bottomend, and cometic for the topend :cool:

Posted: August 15th, 2008, 8:00 am
by teemtrubble
iggys-amsoil wrote:Oh the ones made in China ? :shock: :lol: for $32 a pair. :lol:

There's a lot of hours on those @ 50:1 and holding up so far. Man I got like 25 races on those 35-40 track practices and who knows how many free rides.

I guess not everything from there is crap. I just don't like supporting them :?
Then don't buy their shit Iggy...

Posted: August 15th, 2008, 9:43 am
by Mad Dog
teemtrubble wrote:
iggys-amsoil wrote:Oh the ones made in China ? :shock: :lol: for $32 a pair. :lol:

There's a lot of hours on those @ 50:1 and holding up so far. Man I got like 25 races on those 35-40 track practices and who knows how many free rides.

I guess not everything from there is crap. I just don't like supporting them :?
Then don't buy their shit Iggy...

:wink:

Posted: August 15th, 2008, 10:33 pm
by M.F.D.B.
OEM only for me. I find that if you use the friggin TORQUE ADAPTER and TORQUE the jug PROPERLY base gaskets dont blow out. To many people think they have a better "feel" then a torque wrench and are too cheap to buy the $15 Motion pro tool.

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/too ... h_adapter/

Remember to clean and lube any threads you are torq'n to make sure you get even accurate numbers...

Posted: August 16th, 2008, 7:55 am
by nmdesertrider
Father Honda knows best!

Posted: August 16th, 2008, 6:01 pm
by dannygraves
M.F.D.B. wrote:OEM only for me. I find that if you use the friggin TORQUE ADAPTER and TORQUE the jug PROPERLY base gaskets dont blow out. To many people think they have a better "feel" then a torque wrench and are too cheap to buy the $15 Motion pro tool.

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/too ... h_adapter/

Remember to clean and lube any threads you are torq'n to make sure you get even accurate numbers...
BAH! torque wrenches are for pussies! :D
the one base gasket I blew out was the result of a combination of a weak gasket and no loc-tite on my studs. Now I loc-tite my cylinder studs and haven't had a problem since. I just like the cometic gasket design.

Posted: August 18th, 2008, 6:53 pm
by 100hp honda
didnt brit say once- "just turn the wrench until it wont go any more" :lol: