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Gen 1 - 4 handling differences

Posted: June 29th, 2008, 2:38 pm
by madmcnish
I'm sure it's been discussed before.
What are the handling differences between the different generations?
Looking to buy a gen-2 AF comversion for MX.
Good choice or no?
Cheers,
Ross

Posted: June 29th, 2008, 2:51 pm
by AlisoBob
I dont like the feel of the Gen 1, I'm big, and it feels like your riding on top of a saw horse.

The Gen 3 feels better.....

The Gen 4 feels like a steelie, minus 50 lbs.... It's way more comfortable than a Gen 1.

Posted: June 29th, 2008, 4:13 pm
by dannygraves
I love my gen-1, but they make a better highspeed bike than a MX bike. Mine is a dunes only bike now.
My cousin has a unconverted gen-2 that I've ridden quitre a few times, and must say that is a far better MX bike than the gen-1

Posted: June 29th, 2008, 5:00 pm
by teemtrubble
My GEN2 250 was my favorite jumping bike that's all... I'd take my GEN3 over that anyday.

Posted: June 29th, 2008, 5:24 pm
by Exnav
AlisoBob wrote:I dont like the feel of the Gen 1, I'm big, and it feels like your riding on top of a saw horse.

Good analogy. No comfort in that stock seat design. Gotta be better stuff in the aftermarket surely.

Posted: June 29th, 2008, 10:44 pm
by AJ
not surprisingly,
its been a natural progression and refinement from Honda thru the frame gens.

Each is overall a bit better than the one before.

Some steps were leaps, some where less drastic,
but still noticable improvements.

all handle better ,and feel lighter than a steelie.

a gen 2 is quite an improvement from a gen 1

The gen1 as noted have an uncomfortable seat/ergos compared to most any other gen

I actually liked the Gen1s just fine!!
and felt at home on them
but i would say they are the least forgiving in setup.
set the susp up properly and they handle quite well :)
vary even slightly , and thier handling and manners degrad rapidly.
so stay on top of race sag and general set up..


The gen 2 was an improvement in comfort/ergos, and in hanldling,
and you could be a bit off in susp set up,
and it wouldnt get all cranky.

Gen3's were more of a refinement, did improve handling ,
and were not too picky about set up.
they can still handle decently, even if you have the susp pretty whack.
and of course handle very well when set up properly.

the gen 3 on a 125 chassis ( steeper steering head)
(service Honda Limited Edition's, and team trubble recent bikes)
handling was a little quicker than the 250 based gen3..
and did not seem to suffer any loss of stabilty..from the steeper head angle at all. a win - win.



the gen4's (i've only experience on the CRF250R and X based gen 4's )
are very good handling machines,
as they are again at thier roots a quick handling *tiddler* class bike,,
and again a refinment of a long proven chassis design.

The ergos are a bit smaller,
(so big guys *might* feel more cramped)
but the overall feel of the bike is generally more comfy ,
lighter and quicker handling.
The 08 having stabilizer and the 22 mm offset triple clamps-
is noticable over the 05-07s'
It's my favorite chassis by far.

but i dont expect honda to go backwards , and it makes sense that each refinement would gradually improve the overall feel.

and make no mistake, between any gens you can feel a difference for sure.

jump between a gen 1 or 2 and then onto a new 08 gen4,
and its a prettty radical difference.

again that should be no surprise, there is a decade of pretty constant and consistant refinements ,and they SHOULD be noticable....

AJ

Posted: June 29th, 2008, 10:50 pm
by AlisoBob
AJ wrote:

The ergos are a bit smaller, (so big guys might feel more cramped)
but the overall feel of the bike is generally more comfy ,
lighter and quicker handling.

AJ
I have tall bars, and lowered footpegs on mine... I'm 6' 7" and 290# and could ride that bike all day.

30 miles loops are nothing.... Very comfortable.

S/H should consider the lowered pegs as an option.

http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/product ... ts_id/1397
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Posted: June 30th, 2008, 7:22 am
by dannygraves
nice, AJ :cool:

Posted: June 30th, 2008, 3:52 pm
by AJ
bob, good idea.

we actually offer anything oem or aftermarket that a customer wants to spec.

we just dont have everything on the options page,there's just way to much out there to list?

but i agree the lowered footpegs are something that should be on that page ..
thanks!

its funny, i'm a little dude, but prefer the high bars as well,
and run them forward a bit..it just seems to give me more room..
comfy fo rme,, and i'm japanese size
i always wonder how regular sized 500 guys feel at home on these little bikes anymore.LOL

but they are a very balanced and comfortabe bike ,Honda does thier ergo homework,

(heck i always felt right a thome on the steellies for that matter)

Posted: June 30th, 2008, 3:55 pm
by britincali
AJ wrote:
its funny, i'm a little dude, but prefer the high bars as well,
)


The bar risers on my steelie made a massive difference to me.

Posted: June 30th, 2008, 4:11 pm
by dannygraves
I'm 6'1" and 195lbs and only recently raised my bars...WHAT A DIFFERENCE! I can actually stand up for more than a few minutes at a time!

Posted: June 30th, 2008, 4:29 pm
by AlisoBob
AJ wrote: But i agree the lowered footpegs are something that should be on that page ..
thanks!
Yer' Welcome....