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Its not about race, religion, or culture.... its about cash.... How long can Americans foot the bill for this?

Statistics provided by: http://immigrationcounters.com/

So often, we get caught up in a debate over political semantics and end up ignoring the hard-shell realities of what we're talking about. According to mmigrationCounters.com, here are some of the realities that the Flake-Gutierrez Bill would airbrush out of the picture: These numbers are already much larger and growing.



1 Number of Illegal Aliens in the Country
20,807,645

2 Money Wired to Mexico City since January, 2006
$ 22,213,001,672.00

3 Cost of Social Security Services for Illegal Aliens since 1996
$397,450,739,563.00

4 Number of Children of Illegal Aliens in Public Schools
3,958,789

5 Cost of Illegal Aliens in K-12 Since 1996:
$ 13, 965,063,431.00

6 Number of Illegal Aliens Incarcerated
332,594

7 Cost of Incarcerations Since 2001
$ 1,398,127,429.00

8 Number of Illegal Aliens Fugitives
642,799

9 Skilled Jobs Taken by Illegal Aliens
9,872,838

Excuse me while I go slam myhead in the door jam......


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What else get's me is the illegals going out and protesting us wanting to close our border's and we can't do a damn thing about it. This subject really chaps my hide so I will shut up now before I get to angry.
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Hellbear wrote::evil:

What else get's me is the illegals going out and protesting us wanting to close our border's and we can't do a damn thing about it. This subject really chaps my hide so I will shut up now before I get to angry.

Get angry dude its all good on the bobbers site!!!!!

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britincali wrote:
Hellbear wrote::evil:

What else get's me is the illegals going out and protesting us wanting to close our border's and we can't do a damn thing about it. This subject really chaps my hide so I will shut up now before I get to angry.

Get angry dude its all good on the bobbers site!!!!!

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I say we initiate a beaner hunting season.


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I need to post up MEXICO's immigration policies against those south of them....

Its......Un- Fuckin' Beleivable!
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Im all for immigration............. :cool:


There is no way I could make the kind of $$$ back home as I make here! Thank you to all the lazy-disabled-welfare americans who cant be bothered working!!!!!!
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Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home
by J. Michael Waller

Posted: 05/08/2006
Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

in the country legally;

have the means to sustain themselves economically;

not destined to be burdens on society;

of economic and social benefit to society;

of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:

immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;

foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;

foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;

foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;

those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or
General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.

It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a
crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87),

and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121).

Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American
immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

This article was first posted at CenterforSecurityPolicy.org.
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britincali wrote:Thank you to all the lazy-disabled-welfare americans who cant be bothered working!!!!!!
There is an element of truth in that statement.

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AlisoBob wrote:
britincali wrote:Thank you to all the lazy-disabled-welfare americans who cant be bothered working!!!!!!
There is an element of truth in that statement.

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Where's that Teddy Roosevelt quote about immigrants?
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ellett wrote:Where's that Teddy Roosevelt quote about immigrants?
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Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.



"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Every American citizen needs to read this!
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I love my green card :cool: :lol:
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I think you guy's need to get someone like Teddy back into the Oval office. Ya know you have some clowns that want to put up a concrete wall between Canada and the USA .
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Common sense isnt all that common.... :bash:
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At least the Sheriffs dept is doing something.

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