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Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 3:02 pm
by south central hoon
thanks! hmm...wouldn't you expect to see blowby?

Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 7:35 pm
by glen howell
wiseco,pro-x vertex the big 3


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Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 7:39 pm
by glen howell
wiseco to pro-x

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Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 7:43 pm
by glen howell
wiseco to vertex


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Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 7:45 pm
by glen howell
vertex to pro-x

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Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 7:59 pm
by Roostius_Maximus
glen, the area beside the wrist pin is the trouble, i left my blackbook at the shop, but the vertex is wider at the cutout than the pro-x(which is narrower than stock!) wiseco had made a piston that was narrow, the old 554 and some early 636 versions that had fore-aft cuts, but later made the wide exhaust that almost went to the pinhole before they went full round.

The prox issue is that there is a clear window from the reed area, beside the pin, and out the corners of even a stock exhaust port, some worse than others.

Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 8:07 pm
by glen howell
???? ask the engineers, even ask honda?? Eric Gore wrote a book about it ??? I still use them all thats why a flow bench is so important !!!Glen

Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 8:28 pm
by glen howell
wiesco,vertex,pro-x

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Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 8:30 pm
by glen howell
the late 554 and some 636
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Posted: July 23rd, 2010, 8:33 pm
by glen howell
a 97mm honda piston for a cr-500 cylinder with special sleeve work,made by VENOLLA


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Posted: July 24th, 2010, 1:17 am
by bearorso
glen howell wrote:wiesco,vertex,pro-x

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Is the Wiseco pictured there the new 871?

And does the Vertex come with the ex bridge holes as std?

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 10:35 am
by glen howell
That Vertex came that way I have never gotten one drilled before.

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 10:57 am
by Roostius_Maximus
somebody will have returned that vertex, its not how they come factory


The wiseco pistons have changed from wiseco ALOT thru the years.
the old 554 was 371g - had large cut intake side and pin relief fore+aft
late 554 was 360g - had small cut intake side and pin relief fore+aft
early 636 was 374g - had large cut intake side and pin relief fore+aft (554 casting # on bottom)
mid 636 was 374g - had small cut intake side and pin relief towards intake
last 636 was 431g - had small cut intake side and full round

and now they have another that sounds to be like the early 636 with the large cut intake and pin relief fore+aft

I have a box full of these old wisecos, every different one i think, gotta look back at things every once in a while :wink:

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 11:02 am
by glen howell
Bob, See what I mean now that's pure know how ,He didn't have to go to 10 different forms to come up with the right info. ROOSTY you have my vote. Glen

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 11:23 am
by Roostius_Maximus
i dont think i have that 554 listed that you have pictured :oops:
f'n wiseco flip floppin #s and specs :roll:

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 12:04 pm
by 100hp honda
this is forged mahle 92.25mm. you can see how they went about making it light without having short circuit issues.

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92.25 almost 1oz lighter than wiseco which is 3.25mm smaller :D

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89mm wiseco boat anchor version

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Posted: July 24th, 2010, 1:07 pm
by Roostius_Maximus
thats from a ktoom? same pin as honda? whats the pin height like in comparison? :wink:
i'm guessing you needed the spacer on the deck because you used a long cr rod in it, why not a short cr rod?

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 5:36 pm
by 100hp honda
ya 20mm pins on both. honda is about 8mm down lower. never checked into the short rod so i dont know.

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 8:22 pm
by Roostius_Maximus
why the heck arent we using that piston?

Posted: July 24th, 2010, 9:43 pm
by 100hp honda
i got no desire to do anything like that. maybe it would work if someone has free time to mess with it :confused:

long rod in short cases then shave the jug down alittle more ? hell i dont know