AJ wrote:the stamp on it is for a reason.
that is a fact, and the american way.
You mean this area of the tag where there are no numbers or letters?
It's time to start rocking this place!
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Not to pro-long this discussion, but I just went out and took pictures of my brand new Pro Circut spark arrestor that I just bought from TTM. No where on it does it say Service Honda. I worked for very many years in an specific industry that had alot of "trade" secrets. AJ, I think you should take your argument up with PC or FMF. If you did infact pay for the design and the R&D, then you should have every legal right to take action against PC or FMF for selling "your" designs. In the industry I was involved with, I saw many of companies brought to their knees doing exactly that. I can't for the life of me believe that simply because someone badgers PC enough they will roll over and give in. I can't help but feel some one from PC maybe saw this and the other board, and thought "hey, all these guy building their own versions of AF's, that might be another market for us!" If you did in fact have all of these agreements and contracts with PC, then they are in default. Do you think PC would give Kawasaki the plans for the Team Honda bikes just because they were badgering them enough? I might be well off the mark, but I really doubt it. As far as defending Bob, I have never met him, I have talked to Mike on the phone, but you can gauge the caliber of people pretty easy. If I lived in Cali, these are the guys I would hang with. I said I woundn't get involved in the war, but at this point I feel I have a vested interest in it as well, and I hang my coat in the Banned corner! Here are the pictres, unless it's in invisible ink, there is no mention of your company on my silencer.
Same man...if i gotta decide whom to do business with at this point i'm with TTM...Mike is a very cool dude, and is down to help us hoons out alot more then anyone else...well put Jbaze...If i lived in Cali i would be mikes bodyguard!JBaze wrote: As far as defending Bob, I have never met him, I have talked to Mike on the phone, but you can gauge the caliber of people pretty easy. If I lived in Cali, these are the guys I would hang with. I said I woundn't get involved in the war, but at this point I feel I have a vested interest in it as well, and I hang my coat in the Banned corner!
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teemtrubble
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Here's your answers...
1.Why did mike contact me to ask numerous questions on gen 3 125 builds?
i mean i suck according to most here. right?
why all the interest in what i did 5 years ago?
man i must have REALLY sucked way back then.
Answer) I said this before and I'll say it again I contacted you and Kenny both it was good talking to you both but, as to building a bike neither one of you gave me enough information to tell me where to start which I understood and graciously said "Thanks"
2.why did mikes billet frame pieces for gen 3 125 conversions
not long after contacting me
match in structural design my
gen 3 CR125 bases 500AF LE's?
and yes we all know the time line well..
even though you'll both likely try and hodge it or deny it.
Answer) As for structural design yours does not compare to mine not even close. I asked you for pictures and you declined and again I understand and said "Thanks" remember? As for hodge or deny what a time line... that you built one before me why would I deny that?
3.do the pipes Mike is selling and you both boasting over having for sale now ,
say SH500AF on the PC stamping?
yes or no will do.
i don't expect honest answers though.
Answer) No they don't and every Pro Circuit Honda 2 stroke pipe part number starts with "SH" and they aren't talking about you sorry dude. The conversion pipes start with "PH" on the stamp
4. just how many times did mike call FMF?
and for that matter PC? l do know the answers ,so try and remember..
Answer) 5 times
5.bob, why did you post a warm and fuzzy little "story" on here about american free enterprise,
(oh the irony there)
and giggle like little schoolgirls over TTM/mike buying
PC SH500AF pipes/silencers for his bikes?
and dog out FMF for telling mike quite appropriately . no.
telling him they would honor thier agreenment with Service Honda since we had helped with ,and more importantly PAID for the initial development of those pipes and silencers as well as place a decade of the REQUIRED minimum orders for them, just like we did with PC?
Answer) I offered no one begged or nagged as you put it but, we offered FMF to pay for tooling and set up and a 25 pipe minimum order at least get that straight.
6. hey ..what was the date of mikes PC pipe order? LOL ,
is it not a strange coencedence that his order was built and tacked onto a much larger order SH placed during the same time?
Answer) Which order you act like there has only been one and there has been few.
glad i could help a hoon out by already meeting the miniumum order on pipes i paid the design for..he could just tack his order on.. to one SH has an exclusive agreement for ,
exactly because of those minimum orders and initial set up fee requirements.
Answer) Correct me if I'm wrong but PC and FMF were making CR500 pipes long before you ever contacted Mickey about building bikes.
when you want to use stuff i paid to design, please instead design
your own , or pay someone to design it for you, or buy them from me.
that's the american way.
Answer) What is it that you have actually designed on my bikes?
i guess i should be glad mike has a machine shop eh?
as just like the pipes maybe he wouldnt bother making frame billet pieces and instead just buy them from my CNC vendors?
you know, just tack that mikey order on to the rather large one that Service honda just made,
heck what will it hurt ? would save him machine time ...
never mind that SH paid for the design or the developlent costs, or ten years of minimum orders.. right?
lol a few of you truly crack me up. seriously
here i'll give you the contact for my CNC guys mike.
you seem behind in machine time anyway..
Answer) No need I like mine better.
you do great work , i've NEVER knocked it,
but since every thread here turns into a "MTT vs Service HONDA "
thread..
Answer) Thanks... You and I are the only ones selling them so what do you expect
all throw out there tha tthe Servicxe honda frame pieces are certainly just as good if not styled a bit better.(and time tested and proven)
Answer) They are better than some people's but, not mine and were both bias and that's cool with me.
and hey i've used a couple CNC vendors ,
kind of just like on the pipes and silencers!
maybe if ya keep nagging them , one of them might crack ,, (just like the pipe thing) it will save your CNC time.
maybe all be equally glad i could help eh?
lol
Answer) Where's the numbers? Maybe you don't know so now you will now and so will every one else but, One of my Companies have been Machining parts since 1958 so we know a thing or two about a thing or two.
When you say you've used a "couple" of vendors that usually means...
1) You don't want to do business with them.
2) They don't want to do business with you.
I'm sure others would love that specially if number 2 is the case.
For what ever reasons I'm glad I could straighten out a few things out for you.
1.Why did mike contact me to ask numerous questions on gen 3 125 builds?
i mean i suck according to most here. right?
why all the interest in what i did 5 years ago?
man i must have REALLY sucked way back then.
Answer) I said this before and I'll say it again I contacted you and Kenny both it was good talking to you both but, as to building a bike neither one of you gave me enough information to tell me where to start which I understood and graciously said "Thanks"
2.why did mikes billet frame pieces for gen 3 125 conversions
not long after contacting me
match in structural design my
gen 3 CR125 bases 500AF LE's?
and yes we all know the time line well..
even though you'll both likely try and hodge it or deny it.
Answer) As for structural design yours does not compare to mine not even close. I asked you for pictures and you declined and again I understand and said "Thanks" remember? As for hodge or deny what a time line... that you built one before me why would I deny that?
3.do the pipes Mike is selling and you both boasting over having for sale now ,
say SH500AF on the PC stamping?
yes or no will do.
i don't expect honest answers though.
Answer) No they don't and every Pro Circuit Honda 2 stroke pipe part number starts with "SH" and they aren't talking about you sorry dude. The conversion pipes start with "PH" on the stamp
4. just how many times did mike call FMF?
and for that matter PC? l do know the answers ,so try and remember..
Answer) 5 times
5.bob, why did you post a warm and fuzzy little "story" on here about american free enterprise,
(oh the irony there)
and giggle like little schoolgirls over TTM/mike buying
PC SH500AF pipes/silencers for his bikes?
and dog out FMF for telling mike quite appropriately . no.
telling him they would honor thier agreenment with Service Honda since we had helped with ,and more importantly PAID for the initial development of those pipes and silencers as well as place a decade of the REQUIRED minimum orders for them, just like we did with PC?
Answer) I offered no one begged or nagged as you put it but, we offered FMF to pay for tooling and set up and a 25 pipe minimum order at least get that straight.
6. hey ..what was the date of mikes PC pipe order? LOL ,
is it not a strange coencedence that his order was built and tacked onto a much larger order SH placed during the same time?
Answer) Which order you act like there has only been one and there has been few.
glad i could help a hoon out by already meeting the miniumum order on pipes i paid the design for..he could just tack his order on.. to one SH has an exclusive agreement for ,
exactly because of those minimum orders and initial set up fee requirements.
Answer) Correct me if I'm wrong but PC and FMF were making CR500 pipes long before you ever contacted Mickey about building bikes.
when you want to use stuff i paid to design, please instead design
your own , or pay someone to design it for you, or buy them from me.
that's the american way.
Answer) What is it that you have actually designed on my bikes?
i guess i should be glad mike has a machine shop eh?
as just like the pipes maybe he wouldnt bother making frame billet pieces and instead just buy them from my CNC vendors?
you know, just tack that mikey order on to the rather large one that Service honda just made,
heck what will it hurt ? would save him machine time ...
never mind that SH paid for the design or the developlent costs, or ten years of minimum orders.. right?
lol a few of you truly crack me up. seriously
here i'll give you the contact for my CNC guys mike.
you seem behind in machine time anyway..
Answer) No need I like mine better.
you do great work , i've NEVER knocked it,
but since every thread here turns into a "MTT vs Service HONDA "
thread..
Answer) Thanks... You and I are the only ones selling them so what do you expect
all throw out there tha tthe Servicxe honda frame pieces are certainly just as good if not styled a bit better.(and time tested and proven)
Answer) They are better than some people's but, not mine and were both bias and that's cool with me.
and hey i've used a couple CNC vendors ,
kind of just like on the pipes and silencers!
maybe if ya keep nagging them , one of them might crack ,, (just like the pipe thing) it will save your CNC time.
maybe all be equally glad i could help eh?
lol
Answer) Where's the numbers? Maybe you don't know so now you will now and so will every one else but, One of my Companies have been Machining parts since 1958 so we know a thing or two about a thing or two.
When you say you've used a "couple" of vendors that usually means...
1) You don't want to do business with them.
2) They don't want to do business with you.
I'm sure others would love that specially if number 2 is the case.
For what ever reasons I'm glad I could straighten out a few things out for you.
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Mike
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
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teemtrubble
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AJ it's nice to see your at least being an active member so people can see you for what you are but, you still haven't answered the questions of other members...
Our last email was around Anaheim 1 and my offer stands I'll buy the first round!
Our last email was around Anaheim 1 and my offer stands I'll buy the first round!
Mike
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
can't wait for the day when we actually do a back to back comparison of the two bikes...ttm>S/H and settle it...get ready for the showdown!!teemtrubble wrote:you do great work , i've NEVER knocked it,
but since every thread here turns into a "MTT vs Service HONDA "
thread..
Answer) Thanks... You and I are the only ones selling them so what do you expect
all throw out there tha tthe Servicxe honda frame pieces are certainly just as good if not styled a bit better.(and time tested and proven)
Answer) They are better than some people's but, not mine and were both bias and that's cool with me.
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Ported&Polished
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Both Sh and TTM bikes have been riden side by side already. I agree with the Aj guy on not being able to feel a difference between the two just because of the welds. I have fabricated some very capable stuff and the welds are not as good as other folks welds. But my junk out performs the others because of the design not the welds. On the other hand, when I buy stuff from pros, I like the welds to look good. The Sh bikes I've seen and ridden cost big bucks, they should look as sweet as TTM bikes do. Unless TTM starts advertising, he won't surpass SH sales ever. All he is, is a guy building sweet machines for a small group of folks. If the AMA suddenly allows cr500af's to be raced in the pro races, then and only then, will TTM become a major builder. And that's only if he decides to expand his bike building business. I've ridden SH, Track Time, and home brew cr500af's, and I can't feel any difference in the way they ride unless one has a better suspension slapped on it. Sure would like to ride with AJ at Glamis this season, then maybe all the squablebling could come to an end. That's what we need, and big group ride with him, Bob, TTM, and others here. My guess is that after some fun times blasting around, a few of Jay's Mai Tais, and a fat bat of cryptological chronic, we would all be bros. 
Don't Clyde it, ride it!
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teemtrubble
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Terrance I don't need the Mai tais or chronic and you guys are all still my bro's and I would throw down a spread at any get together and break bread with anyone of you, many of you know how I am, many of you have sat a table with my family and I.
What about this issue my bike vibrates half as much as any SH bike I've ridden and the owners of those bikes can chime in and say so but, if you paid 10-13K for a bike would you?
Lewisclan felt how my bike vibrates during our last trip he said "That must be one tight motor" I didn't say anything...
So wait til you guy's who have waited so patiently get your bikes and some of you are SH owners then you guy's can hear it from them and it will be very soon, very soon.
Like I said "Fit, Feel and Finish. Expect nothing less"
What about this issue my bike vibrates half as much as any SH bike I've ridden and the owners of those bikes can chime in and say so but, if you paid 10-13K for a bike would you?
Lewisclan felt how my bike vibrates during our last trip he said "That must be one tight motor" I didn't say anything...
So wait til you guy's who have waited so patiently get your bikes and some of you are SH owners then you guy's can hear it from them and it will be very soon, very soon.
Like I said "Fit, Feel and Finish. Expect nothing less"
Mike
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
ported&polished
truly nice post,
thats likely far closer to post of the year than anything else touted as such.
Listen seriously-
If i was truly bent over it , i would have posted long ago.
was just pointing out the BS here , and its always met with complete denial..
not unexpected of course,
and its amusing or i wouldn't bother.
mike,
In the other post,
your answers simply dont jive,
i dont expect them to.
There have been numerous postings
that you have " Service honda PC pipes for sale now"
and a whole little tale from bob ...
but you are denying it in this thread?
if you are saying they sold you standard CR500 pipes?
then why on earth would FMF tell you, no?
or need any tooling or minimun order that you mentioned they wouldnt do?
give us all a break,,
pants caught down..
fibbing more does not pull them up.
you stalled your answer and still it isnt factual.
are you are going to come in this thread now and say that you have made several orders ?(lets see the minimum is 25 pipes)
and say the pipes you purchased aren't service Honda PC 500AF pipes.. ??
Before answering please keep in mind how long i've been working with mitch randy and many others at PC.
i know what they sold you, and how many ..
it's ok. but dont come on several forums telling folks what your selling ,and expect me to never say a word about it.
Dan or someone eat PC made a decision they should not have.
but overall its really not that big of deal.
jbaze, no markings on the silencers..
but yes you could by them from us.
if you bought it from mike and it wasnt modified by him,
then its a design i did work directly with PC with, and yes SH has an exclusive agreement with them on it.
ryan,
what do i need your cell ?
i answered any questions ?
you and bob just ignore the answers you dont like.
and what would you want to speak with me about anyway?
i said i was happy for you,
that you found the bike you truly wanted,
and i meant that seriously.
as far as giving mike time to reply to my concerns---
ryan, he was replying in the thread .. but not saying one word towards the questions i asked..
its not like he was just not here or away from the keyboard. i wouldnt have said anything and would have waited.
even after i pointed out the strange silence on that topic, he still deflected to a reply about his work which had nothing to do with what i asked.
finally when i pointed that silliness out,
he then gave answers,
although he may be a good guy, they are not factual.
ok alisobob.
you say i took the gloves off?
i really dint..
but why shouldnt i? lmao!
truth is,
i simply asked very specific questions about actions you and mike both had openly posted about. and have been for some time.
nowhere did i say anything personal other than alluding to your ego..
and never brought your wife into it.
your membership did that!!
when specifically asking if that was what was up your bum..in regards to AJ.
and yeah thats kind of sad your own members would ask that.. it does point out they see something you obviously don't.
( but you've no crusade or agenda.. )
you say this is showing the real me?
i must have way overboard in actually questioning anyones actions here huh?
and then you think someone else typed my post..?
the real me simply finds things funny here occasionally..
and when guys wont to giggle and gloat over poor actions maybe i eventually want to point out it probably wasn't a good idea to do so.
I took plenty of time to finally say something.?
. maybe it wasnt that important to me,,but did bother me enough to bring it up when i had time.
ultimately its not that big of deal..
this forum manages big drama over most anything though, so it seemed fitting enough..
i was talking about your warm fuzzy post about american free
enterprise and rah rah'ing PC, while ripping into FMF.
under the actual circumstances, it was total tripe.
i'll apologize in advance if you dint make that thread..
its been here quite awhile..
lol
heck just how many of your own members have posted how tired they are of the SH bashing..??
i've put up with some real BS here, and mostly taken it quite well .
while you and others may consider it justified,, certainly quite a bit of it isnt.
i sure as heck have never made any kind of comment regarding someones family.
if i ever brought up anyones business practices, it was with full knowledge that they had dome something to be questionable.
My wife, has one small flower, just over her right waste line.
not that its any of your business, but yeah i tried to talk her out of it.
it actually turned out nice..
as a 5'10" european model.. she can pull a small tatt off pretty easily..
it doesnt bother me.
sure shouldnt bother you.
your comments where way way out of line there.
My wife may not be the best looking female on the planet or anything..
but a small tatt isnt going to bother anyone else all that much.
but then, hey i forgot,,wash weld vs single pass really REALLY bothers you..
so a small tatt would ruin about any girl for you as well maybe..
different strokes.
and by posting any photo any where i'm sure i've opened myself and my wife to critism from a few hoons here.. if it happens so be it..
we both have fairly tough skin..
but bob i wouldnt have thought you as one to stoop that far down...
as well as a lot of other things.
(and hey shots at my wife twice that i can think of,
isnt really the coolest either bro)
you posted that i keep customers pull off chains bars clutch covers ,
and dont return them , so i can sell them.
thats not my policy , nor would i ever do that..
and just because you know someone who had not recieved a pull off part or for some odd reason had difficulty getting it.. from sH..
was no reason to post that nonsense as fact or as SH policy..
and you knew better because you had asked and i had outlined that before.
so yeah i took that way too personal.
i'll not apologize for taking it that way though, you sure as hell have poked that kind of stick my way before.
but thats your MO, slight insinuation and half truths.
all just to better my product.
bob you know dang well i would send anyone thier stock parts back(you mentioned cluch cover,chain or bars etc etc)
most guys don't want that type of stuff , some do.
we make every effort they get them..
and i sure never sold any of that stuff that guys dint want..
if anything it gets tossed or given to a hoon in need (if the original customer dint want it)
Seems i hit too close to home. sorry.
Polished-
youve taken more than a few jabs SH way l.. lol
but yeah i agree with you , that if we had a big ride at glamis and a few mitai's or 'ritas'
i sure as heck wouldnt care about any of this..
later...
truly nice post,
thats likely far closer to post of the year than anything else touted as such.
Listen seriously-
If i was truly bent over it , i would have posted long ago.
was just pointing out the BS here , and its always met with complete denial..
not unexpected of course,
and its amusing or i wouldn't bother.
mike,
In the other post,
your answers simply dont jive,
i dont expect them to.
There have been numerous postings
that you have " Service honda PC pipes for sale now"
and a whole little tale from bob ...
but you are denying it in this thread?
if you are saying they sold you standard CR500 pipes?
then why on earth would FMF tell you, no?
or need any tooling or minimun order that you mentioned they wouldnt do?
give us all a break,,
pants caught down..
fibbing more does not pull them up.
you stalled your answer and still it isnt factual.
are you are going to come in this thread now and say that you have made several orders ?(lets see the minimum is 25 pipes)
and say the pipes you purchased aren't service Honda PC 500AF pipes.. ??
Before answering please keep in mind how long i've been working with mitch randy and many others at PC.
i know what they sold you, and how many ..
it's ok. but dont come on several forums telling folks what your selling ,and expect me to never say a word about it.
Dan or someone eat PC made a decision they should not have.
but overall its really not that big of deal.
jbaze, no markings on the silencers..
but yes you could by them from us.
if you bought it from mike and it wasnt modified by him,
then its a design i did work directly with PC with, and yes SH has an exclusive agreement with them on it.
ryan,
what do i need your cell ?
i answered any questions ?
you and bob just ignore the answers you dont like.
and what would you want to speak with me about anyway?
i said i was happy for you,
that you found the bike you truly wanted,
and i meant that seriously.
as far as giving mike time to reply to my concerns---
ryan, he was replying in the thread .. but not saying one word towards the questions i asked..
its not like he was just not here or away from the keyboard. i wouldnt have said anything and would have waited.
even after i pointed out the strange silence on that topic, he still deflected to a reply about his work which had nothing to do with what i asked.
finally when i pointed that silliness out,
he then gave answers,
although he may be a good guy, they are not factual.
ok alisobob.
you say i took the gloves off?
i really dint..
but why shouldnt i? lmao!
truth is,
i simply asked very specific questions about actions you and mike both had openly posted about. and have been for some time.
nowhere did i say anything personal other than alluding to your ego..
and never brought your wife into it.
your membership did that!!
when specifically asking if that was what was up your bum..in regards to AJ.
and yeah thats kind of sad your own members would ask that.. it does point out they see something you obviously don't.
( but you've no crusade or agenda.. )
you say this is showing the real me?
i must have way overboard in actually questioning anyones actions here huh?
and then you think someone else typed my post..?
the real me simply finds things funny here occasionally..
and when guys wont to giggle and gloat over poor actions maybe i eventually want to point out it probably wasn't a good idea to do so.
I took plenty of time to finally say something.?
. maybe it wasnt that important to me,,but did bother me enough to bring it up when i had time.
ultimately its not that big of deal..
this forum manages big drama over most anything though, so it seemed fitting enough..
I was never talking about your personal bike?1. My conversion uses a 100% OEM pipe. NOTHING is changed. I did think the rear tab was the only difference, anf I thought Mike bought pipes modified due to the plating issue after moving the tab. My fault for not having a Phd in 500AF pipe construction.
i was talking about your warm fuzzy post about american free
enterprise and rah rah'ing PC, while ripping into FMF.
under the actual circumstances, it was total tripe.
i'll apologize in advance if you dint make that thread..
its been here quite awhile..
certainly debatable, and many would have differing opinions ,not just me.2. My forum is dedicated to members posting whatever they feel the need to, some of it is bike stuff, some is comedy, some is b.s.. There is no agenda here.
lol
heck just how many of your own members have posted how tired they are of the SH bashing..??
and now we see the real alisobob.3. If I was you, I would want to sleep with my wife too, as yours has all that "barbed wire" tattoo shit all over her pussy. 1985 is long gone friend.
i've put up with some real BS here, and mostly taken it quite well .
while you and others may consider it justified,, certainly quite a bit of it isnt.
i sure as heck have never made any kind of comment regarding someones family.
if i ever brought up anyones business practices, it was with full knowledge that they had dome something to be questionable.
My wife, has one small flower, just over her right waste line.
not that its any of your business, but yeah i tried to talk her out of it.
it actually turned out nice..
as a 5'10" european model.. she can pull a small tatt off pretty easily..
it doesnt bother me.
sure shouldnt bother you.
your comments where way way out of line there.
My wife may not be the best looking female on the planet or anything..
but a small tatt isnt going to bother anyone else all that much.
but then, hey i forgot,,wash weld vs single pass really REALLY bothers you..
so a small tatt would ruin about any girl for you as well maybe..
different strokes.
and by posting any photo any where i'm sure i've opened myself and my wife to critism from a few hoons here.. if it happens so be it..
we both have fairly tough skin..
but bob i wouldnt have thought you as one to stoop that far down...
i'll give credit that you have often aid that,4. I called you a theif? Where? I've never said anything of the sort. All I've ever is your a nice guy, who should improve his product.
as well as a lot of other things.
(and hey shots at my wife twice that i can think of,
isnt really the coolest either bro)
you posted that i keep customers pull off chains bars clutch covers ,
and dont return them , so i can sell them.
thats not my policy , nor would i ever do that..
and just because you know someone who had not recieved a pull off part or for some odd reason had difficulty getting it.. from sH..
was no reason to post that nonsense as fact or as SH policy..
and you knew better because you had asked and i had outlined that before.
so yeah i took that way too personal.
i'll not apologize for taking it that way though, you sure as hell have poked that kind of stick my way before.
but thats your MO, slight insinuation and half truths.
all just to better my product.
bob you know dang well i would send anyone thier stock parts back(you mentioned cluch cover,chain or bars etc etc)
most guys don't want that type of stuff , some do.
we make every effort they get them..
and i sure never sold any of that stuff that guys dint want..
if anything it gets tossed or given to a hoon in need (if the original customer dint want it)
LOL! ok ..5. NO ONE has ever come up to me, or any other member of my riding group that owns A/F's ( to my knowlage) and asked if that was a S/H.
6. All bikes are being compared to TTM bikes. Thats the standard, not S/H. Times have changed.
Seems i hit too close to home. sorry.
Polished-
youve taken more than a few jabs SH way l.. lol
but yeah i agree with you , that if we had a big ride at glamis and a few mitai's or 'ritas'
i sure as heck wouldnt care about any of this..
later...
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AlisoBob
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I never intended this to imply your a thief.... sorry if your conscience got the better of you.AJ wrote:
bob you know dang well i would send anyone thier stock parts back(you mentioned cluch cover,chain or bars etc etc)
most guys don't want that type of stuff , some do.
we make every effort they get them..
I'll take this as an "Open Invitation" from you to any past customer of yours to contact you with the parts they were shorted.... and request that either they are shipped the parts, or given the cash equivalent.
Thanks AJ, for clearing that up.
bob
i told you i took it that way ,and my fault for taking it probably too literally.
but my concious is always clear,
and you know it. Find one SH customer that has dealt with me that would say different .
Thats just the kind of BS. implication an innuendo that you back hand me with after saying that you alawys state i'm a good guy.
boy you dont take me giving this forum back a few well deserved little jabs very well at all bob..!!!
perhaps its more that actually informing people isnt so welcome,
so then i'm not as welcome either..
thats sure the vibe ,intended or not, that you're sending out..
pot shots at the wife,, insinuating my concious isnt clear..
hmmm..
maybe you're right and i should just leave you to your deal here..
koolaid anyone
my opinion on the focus of this forum differs from yours bob..
just like your opinion on my bikes differs from mine.
but you seem awfully thin skinned about it.
never intended this to imply your a thief.... sorry if your conscience got the better of you.
i told you i took it that way ,and my fault for taking it probably too literally.
but my concious is always clear,
and you know it. Find one SH customer that has dealt with me that would say different .
Thats just the kind of BS. implication an innuendo that you back hand me with after saying that you alawys state i'm a good guy.
boy you dont take me giving this forum back a few well deserved little jabs very well at all bob..!!!
perhaps its more that actually informing people isnt so welcome,
so then i'm not as welcome either..
thats sure the vibe ,intended or not, that you're sending out..
pot shots at the wife,, insinuating my concious isnt clear..
hmmm..
maybe you're right and i should just leave you to your deal here..
koolaid anyone
my opinion on the focus of this forum differs from yours bob..
just like your opinion on my bikes differs from mine.
but you seem awfully thin skinned about it.
bob why again post complete inaccuracies??
why would you guess that it's not retro-active or post something like that??
did i say that?
nope.
nothing even close to that..
i stated clearly something already questiioned by you long ago and cleared up then,
that anyone owed any such parts ,
we make every effort to get it back to them.
you bring it up again now for deflection.
its always been the policy to return such parts ,and still is?
no need to retro active an existing and standing policy.
you think if mick or our any of my SH customers, call me anytime, and ask for a stock clutch cover ,or some such, he forgot to pick up,,when he picked up his bike, i wont get it to him?
i've always gone above and beyond for my customers, in any area like that..and truth is you know that ,and have posted and acknowledged that before.
Nice continued deflection from you and your boys pants being caught down...
geez
what next,, say something about my kid?
when i say it isnt true, and outline why,
youll say ,,
"ohh sorry i dint know , thanks for clearring that up AJ"
and that makes it ok?
over and over and over again?
no that spells A G E N D A
i'm pointing out the obvious, and a few facts,,
you're posting inaccurate insinuations about my business practices, sincerety or character..
and needless stuff about my family.
any real hoon with the alturistic and humanitarian intentions you state having for me and my products,
would likely have apologized for that needless shot at
one of my family members in their next reply,
but you've made several replies , and let your comment stand.
you have your reasons ,they arnt what you state, and you sure as heck dont like THAT pointed out.
of course , I don't blame you much for not liking any other viewpoint on that topic..
why would you guess that it's not retro-active or post something like that??
did i say that?
nope.
nothing even close to that..
i stated clearly something already questiioned by you long ago and cleared up then,
that anyone owed any such parts ,
we make every effort to get it back to them.
you bring it up again now for deflection.
its always been the policy to return such parts ,and still is?
no need to retro active an existing and standing policy.
you think if mick or our any of my SH customers, call me anytime, and ask for a stock clutch cover ,or some such, he forgot to pick up,,when he picked up his bike, i wont get it to him?
i've always gone above and beyond for my customers, in any area like that..and truth is you know that ,and have posted and acknowledged that before.
Nice continued deflection from you and your boys pants being caught down...
geez
what next,, say something about my kid?
when i say it isnt true, and outline why,
youll say ,,
"ohh sorry i dint know , thanks for clearring that up AJ"
and that makes it ok?
over and over and over again?
no that spells A G E N D A
i'm pointing out the obvious, and a few facts,,
you're posting inaccurate insinuations about my business practices, sincerety or character..
and needless stuff about my family.
any real hoon with the alturistic and humanitarian intentions you state having for me and my products,
would likely have apologized for that needless shot at
one of my family members in their next reply,
but you've made several replies , and let your comment stand.
you have your reasons ,they arnt what you state, and you sure as heck dont like THAT pointed out.
of course , I don't blame you much for not liking any other viewpoint on that topic..
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jbaze, no markings on the silencers..
but yes you could by them from us.
if you bought it from mike and it wasnt modified by him,
then its a design i did work directly with PC with, and yes SH has an exclusive agreement with them on it. (Quote from AJ)
That is exactly what I am talking about!! If that is the case, then you have no right to accuse Mike of anything because the guys at Pro Circut are the ones selling "Your" design to your competitors. They are in breach of contract. A hand shake and a wink dosen't hold water the way it did when our Grandfathers were around, so you must have had a sign contractual agreement, in which case you have every legal right to persue action against PC for selling your stuff to a competitor! Idustrial espionage is what it is called and the law takes that very seriously. Again, I can't help but believe that a product supplier/ manufacturer saw an open door for another new market and took the ball and ran with it. Pro Circut is a large company I doubt they will sell trade secrets to other peoples competitors because they were "badgered" into do so. I am involved now because until I posted about the spark arrestor I bought from Mike, there was no mention of exhaust parts. I think your happier acting as an antagonist here than anything else. Thats to bad, because your knowledge and insight would be very welcome. But some how I think you don't like the idea of people building their own versions of an AF, and that to is too bad. Jason.
but yes you could by them from us.
if you bought it from mike and it wasnt modified by him,
then its a design i did work directly with PC with, and yes SH has an exclusive agreement with them on it. (Quote from AJ)
That is exactly what I am talking about!! If that is the case, then you have no right to accuse Mike of anything because the guys at Pro Circut are the ones selling "Your" design to your competitors. They are in breach of contract. A hand shake and a wink dosen't hold water the way it did when our Grandfathers were around, so you must have had a sign contractual agreement, in which case you have every legal right to persue action against PC for selling your stuff to a competitor! Idustrial espionage is what it is called and the law takes that very seriously. Again, I can't help but believe that a product supplier/ manufacturer saw an open door for another new market and took the ball and ran with it. Pro Circut is a large company I doubt they will sell trade secrets to other peoples competitors because they were "badgered" into do so. I am involved now because until I posted about the spark arrestor I bought from Mike, there was no mention of exhaust parts. I think your happier acting as an antagonist here than anything else. Thats to bad, because your knowledge and insight would be very welcome. But some how I think you don't like the idea of people building their own versions of an AF, and that to is too bad. Jason.
jason,
seriously, i am sorry you feel that way..
not my intent at all..ive helpoed lots of guys out ,yes even here.
find one time i ever said anything bad about someone building thier own bikes?
antagonist?
i get constantly attacked here..
I actually agree with you that someone at PC likely just dint know at the moment, made a mistake, it happens.
i posted that thought already as well.
if my bringing one subject up ,in one thread, ever in this forum,
is being an antagonist..
then i was completely joking about the koolaid,
but dang maybe it wasnt that much of a joke..
seriously, i am sorry you feel that way..
not my intent at all..ive helpoed lots of guys out ,yes even here.
find one time i ever said anything bad about someone building thier own bikes?
antagonist?
i get constantly attacked here..
I actually agree with you that someone at PC likely just dint know at the moment, made a mistake, it happens.
i posted that thought already as well.
if my bringing one subject up ,in one thread, ever in this forum,
is being an antagonist..
then i was completely joking about the koolaid,
but dang maybe it wasnt that much of a joke..
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Bringing up subjects doesn't make you an antagonist, AJ. The dancing around direct legitimate questions is what does it. As far as attacking ANYONES family, thats wrong, this discussion is between the people involved right here. I don't condone that shit. But why would you say about your wife, Quote "My wife may not be the best looking female on the planet or anything", If I were her, you'd have a little explaining to do saying something like that in a public forum! LOL. I think the biggest question that is being asked of you is simply: Is your company going to up it's quality control, and or improve the appearance and asthetics of your product? No agenda or anything just a simple question. Personaly I don't care because with the help and encouragment of my wife, we built my AF ourselves. I got involved in this only because of the exhaust situation. And it's cool that you can see it like that. Jason.AJ wrote:jason,
seriously, i am sorry you feel that way..
not my intent at all..ive helpoed lots of guys out ,yes even here.
find one time i ever said anything bad about someone building thier own bikes?
antagonist?
i get constantly attacked here..
I actually agree with you that someone at PC likely just dint know at the moment, made a mistake, it happens.
i posted that thought already as well.
if my bringing one subject up ,in one thread, ever in this forum,
is being an antagonist..
then i was completely joking about the koolaid,
but dang maybe it wasnt that much of a joke..
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AlisoBob
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This was a rather poor post..... It was intended to represent your bike being hacked apart in this thread, that was never the goal.AJ wrote:bob's agenda is showing...
thanks for posting that s clearly..
AlisoBob wrote:
The goal is trying to get you to answer if ANY improvments are ever planned for the bike.... plain and simple. No agenda, no conspericy, no master plan.....
This makes 234,564,321 times this question has asked, probably without a reply.
You sure seem to like the drama of dragging this out....
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AJ are you serious dude?
mike,
In the other post,
your answers simply dont jive,
i dont expect them to.
There have been numerous postings
that you have " Service honda PC pipes for sale now"
and a whole little tale from bob ...
but you are denying it in this thread?
if you are saying they sold you standard CR500 pipes?
then why on earth would FMF tell you, no?
or need any tooling or minimun order that you mentioned they wouldnt do?
give us all a break,,
pants caught down..
fibbing more does not pull them up.
you stalled your answer and still it isnt factual.
Answer) You better reread that post again and we did say we would pay for tooling and set up and buy a minimum and that's what didn't make sense to us to and how would I know that's what FMF's deal is unless it was brought up in our conversations. Also what I said was "we sell PC pipes that bolt on SH bikes to" and offer a 10% discount on all PC products. Who the hell said they sold me standard pipes but I have bought some standard pipes from them and many other products as well. Pants down please here's the link http://bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2447 so the members and readers can see where you coming from and read it for themselves.
mike,
In the other post,
your answers simply dont jive,
i dont expect them to.
There have been numerous postings
that you have " Service honda PC pipes for sale now"
and a whole little tale from bob ...
but you are denying it in this thread?
if you are saying they sold you standard CR500 pipes?
then why on earth would FMF tell you, no?
or need any tooling or minimun order that you mentioned they wouldnt do?
give us all a break,,
pants caught down..
fibbing more does not pull them up.
you stalled your answer and still it isnt factual.
Answer) You better reread that post again and we did say we would pay for tooling and set up and buy a minimum and that's what didn't make sense to us to and how would I know that's what FMF's deal is unless it was brought up in our conversations. Also what I said was "we sell PC pipes that bolt on SH bikes to" and offer a 10% discount on all PC products. Who the hell said they sold me standard pipes but I have bought some standard pipes from them and many other products as well. Pants down please here's the link http://bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2447 so the members and readers can see where you coming from and read it for themselves.
Mike
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
teem trubble works CR500
(Gen 3 125+CR500 motor)
If I wanted a Yamaha I would have bought a piano!
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dannygraves
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who needs afternoon soaps when you can read this thread! the thing that gets me about this whole thread, AJ, is how you get so defensive...
Dude, SH is the ONLY large builder of conversions and TTM is the new kid on the block selling a very similar product. You don't expect constant comparisons??
Do you think the people at chevy never heard that ford had a full boxed frame, rack and pinion and tailgate assist... oh wait, 2 years later chevy added all those features to their 1/2 ton
and took the turck of the year title from ford this is the exact same situation, TTM is building a superior product in fit and finish, but they are still mostly used bikes. This is your turn to raise the bar to compete, that how being in business and selling a product works.
I recently got dicked around by a business partner going behind my back. I have a small business where I put breathalyzer machines in bars and I partnered with a business that gives drunks a ride home (designated drivers). well, the owner of designated drivers ordered 20 machines behind my back and put them in that bars where he was supposed to help me place my machines. The vendor called me since I am the only authorized dealer in nevada and said he used a dealer in PA to place the order. You know how I got back at him??? I modified my machines to accept $1 and $5 bills instead of just quarters, thus making my machines superior and allowing me to place more of them and make more money with them. He isn't too handy, so I don't imagine he will be doing the same.
The point I am making is instead if whining about Mike selling your pipes, or how everyopne here picks on you, make some cleaner bikes and show us you can raise the bar to compete.
'09 kx450f 4-Poke
Gen-4 trail bike --SOLD--
Gen-3 badass trail/mx bike --SOLD--
Gen-1 built dunes bike --SOLD--
'05 klx110 --SOLD--
'95 pw80
Gen-4 trail bike --SOLD--
Gen-3 badass trail/mx bike --SOLD--
Gen-1 built dunes bike --SOLD--
'05 klx110 --SOLD--
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To add a little humor to this, as Casey Kasem would say, "This one goes out to our friend in Indiana from his buddies out West!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LhyAVzDBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LhyAVzDBI
When I first got onto these sites it seemed to me the other site was full of contraversial bullshit,and this was the friendly site that was just about boys that ride bikes and they were happy to help one another. But fuck me,how that has changed ! Its ok to question the quality of another persons quality of work etc,but bringing a fellas wife into the conversatioin is fighting words I believe.Dont you guys think its going to far ?? When this topic got into the swing I thought it was entertaining,but now I think its a bit dissapointing. Anyone agree ?