BannedCR500Riders.com

God damn!!!!!!

AJ wrote:

AlisoBob wrote:Absoultly.... ask away...

hey there bob,
glad you don't mind
it is time to start rocking this place afterall?


5.Bob, why did you post a warm and fuzzy little "story" on here about american free enterprise, (oh the irony there) and giggle like little schoolgirls over TTM/Mike buying PC SH500AF pipes/silencers for his bikes and dog out FMF for telling Mike quite appropriately . no.
telling him they would honor their agreement with Service Honda since we had helped with ,and more importantly PAID for the initial development of those pipes and silencers as well as place a decade of the REQUIRED minimum orders for them, just like we did with PC?




...now continue with the typical "huh? poor me , the innocent bystander,always only hunting for the truth"act.

you play it so well, oscar material i'm telling ya!

go hoon go!!

i like it!
great amusing stuff bro.

Answering #5. Regarding any "development costs".... I'm not telling you how to run your business, but I would assume you would make FMF or P/C bare the brunt of any development costs... THEY want to sell YOU pipes... remember? If I was in the position to to purchase pipes, would I have paid any so called " development costs" upfront? No f-ing way!

That said, how much cost could their be in relocating the rear tab? Thats the only difference as fas as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong?

Your agreement with FMF of 10 years of minimum annual orders + paying the development costs up front seems implausible... I've never heard of anyone having to pick up both ends like that. Perhaps you need me as your business adviser?

Now, if you truly do have a custom part, that you did pay the development costs for, and have a exclusive deal with FMF in producing it, then I respect FMF for honoring that agreement. I did not know this at the time of my post.


Part 2: The Innocent Bystander..... Bystander, yea.... I dont own a S/H bike. Innocent? Thats up for debate. If you remember our talks AJ, when I was contacting you to build me a bike, there were several issues we could not come to terms on. Most had to do with deleting things (like the kick stand) and receiving credit for the parts, the modifying of the fuel tank, etc..etc.. I have a few bucks in my pocket AJ, the price of the bike was never the stumbling block, its the principle. Then I looked at a few of the CR500AFX's in the area and saw the fabrication work , up close.... and decided to build my own bike.

I have tremendous respect for the owners of these bikes for allowing me to come over and look at them with a fine tooth comb.

And like i've said many, many times.... 15 more minutes of jig time, aligning the parts, would have made all the difference in the world.

So why my crusade? I really like your product, and to me its a shame you dont make some very small improvements to make them match my level of acceptance, where I would have been comfortable with craftsmanship. If I received what others did, that crate would have been on its way back to Indiana the next day.... period.

I have hoped you would have posted something long ago, like this:

Press release from Service Honda

For the 2008 model year, Service Honda is proud to announce revisions to its famed CR500AF line. This includes a revised assembly procedure to further refine the fit and finish of our modifications, and bring the level of our product to an even higher level of craftsmanship......"

....you get the idea. But its never happened.

Your a great guy, with a great product..... and a true Hoon at heart.

You carry the two stroke flag, for both Honda and Kawi in a time when its not cool to do so.

You can and have made very clean versions of you products in the past.. I've seen them.

And all I've asked for 2 years now is why cant you get your current bikes up to the next level of quality, and for two years all I've been called is a basher.

Some of my board members are trying to make this WWF, I'm not.

S/H, and TTM pull from two different customer bases, and they offer two completly different products. In other threads I have represented the side of S/H, trying the keep things Apples to Apples...

I posted that photo of your bike getting hacked by Freddie as a response.

This isnt about tearing down S/H. Its about getting S/H to raise their own bar up.

If you have plans to improve fit, let us know. If you plan on keeping things status quo, let us know that too..... Either way, a response with go a very long way in putting this topic to rest.

I'm sorry for all the thread hijacking and mud slinging that goes on ... If you want AJ, I can start, and lock a thread just for you to comment and post in... that wont get a tangled up...

I like you, I like the product, and I like the fact you stop in here from time to time. I wish the environment was a little nicer, maybe you would stop in more.

Were all on the same side here... aluminum framed, hand crafted, 500cc two stroke machines are the way to go.

I'm glad we can agree on that.

Thanks for your time AJ.....

AJ wrote:you play it so well
oscar material i'm telling ya!

go hoon go!!

i like it!
great amusing stuff bro.

Bob may be one of the only people who publicly question your work, and seems to me that he may be one of the most honestly opinionated hoons on this site. He does not need to explain where he is coming from to me or defend himself for his opinions regarding S/H (even if i disagree with the drama at times), i've seen S/H frame conversions and to be honest i agree with bobs opinions regarding the quality of some of the conversions in certain pics i've seen (just saying)...and in all honesty AJ you should just laugh at this shit because you are easily the most successful and experienced cr500AF builder that's ever been, and it's not like there has ever been a company that has never taken criticism. You should however take these criticisms to heart and try and improve on what you can, instead of thinking you do everything the best way. We all love to break balls, but bob and ttm has helped me out more then S/H has and i don't feel he puts on any kind of 'feel sorry for me' act when he takes flack for pointing out S/H conversion flaws, he sticks by his word from what i've seen, and sticks by his website and board members...Just my 2Cents that aren't worth anything... bannedcr500riders.com is the shit motha fucka...

AlisoBob wrote:I'm sorry for all the thread hijacking and mud slinging that goes on ... If you want AJ, I can start, and lock a thread just for you to comment and post in... that wont get a tangled up...

I think this would be a great idea. Not just for AJ, but every member building bikes. A thread that I can absorb all of AJ's, Mike's or whoever's builds to include pictures without having to sift through the typical bullshit filler.

I guess kind of like a reputable builder's own sponsored thread. Hell to even include engine builders like Glen...

Correct me if I'm wrong?

you are wrong.,
and i finally got fed up enough to correct one of the many things you are wrong about.

but hey even when i do so..
you deftly ignore the fact that the SH agreement with PC
was the same as with FMF,
FMF told mike no, lots of times.
the reason for that was the agreement. no other reason, and none of your net posturing changes it.

so you agree in principle,
but want to "tone the implications down" by saying i dint negotiate well.

my bad, i'm such a poor businessman,
regardless those agreements stand between SH /FMF ,and PC.
and there where real costs involved and real minimum orders.
order some up yourself from FMF and see.

to fact remains wether i made good agreement with those companies on SH's expense side,
is CERTAINLY not the point , and you know it.
but of course you'll try to deflect things.
human nature.

most people do try and pull up thier pants when their underwear is showing.
unless they are 20years old.. and thats the style.

your boy broke a standing agreement with one of my vendors.
he even nagged one of them enough to tick them off a bit,
and they called me asking what the heck was up with him.

you know dang well ,
if rear tab relocation was the only thing, on pipes and silencers,
then mikey would have simply done that on the stnandard CR500 pipes those companies already produce and sell to the public,,
through a million different distributers and direct.

he is capable of that small easy modification right?



bob, this is again typical.

you post up random BS,

half it misguided or quite intentionally misleading with some half truths..
(every good lie has some truth in it right?)

then if i ever bust you on it,, backpedal and fall back to the
infamous now-
"who me? alisobob? i'm only trying to have this crusade to make SH bikes better"

lmao ,
you're not, its obvious to anyone with common reading skills.

you gain nothing from SH making bikes one way or another.

your little picture of a characture from a movie film hacking at a Service Honda AF..
defines your agenda better than i could, or your own words do.

what you gain from me coming here and saying

I will do A,B and C to make bob happy , is bob stroking bobs net ego.
because you will think you changed something one way or another in SH bikes.
there is no other reason for you t ogo on and on,,
no matter how you twist and squirm from it.

you dont plan to buy SH bikes, you dedicated a forum to how to build your own (thats fine)
youve also taken shots endlessly when SH was not even a thread topic.
thats far from simply seeking betterment of a product you have no interest in.

to the piont your own members have asked on here,
if AJ slept with your wife or something.
thats amazing really.

why you have the crusade is lost in your own mentality.
but likely because most people shot a the guys on top.
whos a better target afterall?


balaclava - drink much koolaid lately?
i have every right to question bobs self admitted crusade.

i would have to make en entire forum up to answer all the misguided info and half truths the man has posted.
he has far more net tjime o njhis hands than i do.
and an admitted crusade.

this is a forum for opinions,or isn't it??

my work and character can be endlessly questioned by *alisobob*
yet i cant ask things in return or rebuttle?


and when a coupla your boys clearly step over the line of reason ,reality, or truth, ,
and i actually take the time to point it out.
absolutely a bunch of you will degfned thiem,..
you think thats not predictable?


balaclava your boy *bob* recently and fundamentally called me a thief in another thread.even for him that is pretty low.

yet he says he wishes it was a better atmosphere here?

lmao.. he set the tone.of this place to the point members felt i must have slept with his wife.
sorry i have to get back to that,,but that swas a defining moment in this forum.


ride any conversion here and a SH .
not one of you hoons could tell the difference if it was decently done
and in a current 250F chassis
there are difference between chassis you could feel,
the newer ones are better.
but there is no way anyone here can feel a difference in the style of a wash weld verses a single pass.
noone can just man up and admit it though.

for alisobob to have any crusade then is pretty much just bob being bob,
he has his own reasons. and hoons who built thier own
(i've always said good job?)
having some understandable hard on for SH because anytime
they roll to the track or riding area
someone will inevetably ask if its a SH bike.

hey that would bug me too if i worked hard to build me own..
and that's part of the root of this.

So i should apologize for being successful?
and endlessly ripped into for my personal choices on a very small purely cosmetics part of a completed bike?

so wether negatively or positively bikes here are still compared to a SH.
i'm not the one doing that, ya'll are.

bob if your motives are alturistic, and you crusaded long enough to think you were the one and only inspiration to somehow improve SH bikes ..
(boy can your net ego get any bigger bro?)

exactly what then?
you'd never post another photo of mike myers hacking at a SH bike? lol

That's what i thought.


by the way that's really funny.thanks for the chuckle
Mikey Myers used to work for me, and was a big part of the original 500AF's. (he's an instructor at MMI now)

Whos Bob's boy that called you a thief?

Balaclava, drink much kool aid lately?

Mike,
that was a typo,
i make lots of them. everyone knows that.

AlisoBob was the one fundamentally calling me a thief,
not any of his members..


but you are strangely silent on the topics at hand at the moment..
don't blame ya really.

good idea.. i knew you were famalier with the popcorn eating smilie..


no comments on correcting bob on the pipe and silencer deal?
or buying parts from my vendors?

man your last two "silent" posts,
completely ignoring the topicvs i brougt up clearly on the previous page,
speaks louder than anything!

but then what can you say really?
so you din't.

i really expected a bit more deflection and posturing..though..
so bob came thru with that..

what a shocker.. lol !!

later , actual real things to do..

Wow, this place is starting to rock!!!!!!

AJ wrote:
buying parts from my vendors?

i have said this before....last i checked aj your NOT the only customer for FMF or PC

My bikes and workmanship speak for themselves.

ryan,
lmao!!
dude you've said lots of things before..
doesnt make all of them factual or relavent to this topic.

Neither company produced these pipes for the general public.
They both made them exclusivly for Service Honda.
they both had agreements with Service Honda to do so.

The reasons are not important,
an agreement is an agreement.
but it was because to these companies there was no demand for them..

They were NOT interested in building pipes at all,
even with a 100 pipe and silencer miniumum order initially.

i had to take it to another level to get their interest ,
that included commitments and agreements from both sides.

as expected you and others in here will try and squirm.

(you notice mike dint say a word in his replies about it at all.. )

want a conference call with me, mitch ,and donny?

if you cant pull that off,
man up or shut up on this topic.

you should have bought your SH500AF pipe and silencer from me..
or
mike should have made his own.

the stamp on it is for a reason.
that is a fact, and the american way.

I gave an example of my CNC vendor, would it not be the same?

my CNC vendors and hose vendors, just like my pipe vendors,
have other customers too,
that doesnt mean they should sell off my specific stuff,
when they are making a run for me..


sorry if your graphic style doesnt fit as well now.
don't like it, too bad.

my chops are busted on here for far far less....

the continued but expected defense of poor actions by anyone else..
just shows the agenda more clearly.

mike
your actions speak loudly as well,. you sure havnt been silent on plenty of other subjects

dont like the heat, dont boast about actions that would be better represented with embarresment.

a whole thread dedicated to touting PC for ignoring thier commitment, ,yet rippng on FMF for honoring thier commitmment?
got your boy bob to thank for that,,but you sure wernt silent.

now you are, go figure.
what else can you say ?
your bikes or work wernt the question at hand were they?
if my pipes are on your bikes that would be a question?
and is..lol
heck both you and bob ignored the question if the PC tags are stamped SH500AF on the pipes?(nbetter go rush ouyt and take those off)

bob only answered # 5,of all my questions.

and inaccurately.
nice job boys.

but i should answer anything here?

and well its just a pipe,, not my frame pieces so that ok ..


bob wants to inform, like i said inform.

bob wants to crusade, crusade..

but lets keep a little reality in the mix.

I've always thought you couldn't get a AF specific pipe or silencer from S/H unless you owned a Service Honda model AF?

AJ wrote:mike
your actions speak loudly as well,. you sure havnt been silent on plenty of other subjects

dont like the heat, dont boast about actions that would be better represented with embarresment.

a whole thread dedicated to touting PC for ignoring thier commitment, ,yet rippng on FMF for honoring thier commitmment?
got your boy bob to thank for that,,but you sure wernt silent.

now you are, go figure.
what else can you say ?
your bikes or work wernt the question at hand were they?
if my pipes are on your bikes that would be a question?
and is..lol
heck both you and bob ignored the question if the PC tags are stamped SH500AF on the pipes?(nbetter go rush ouyt and take those off)

bob only answered # 5,of all my questions.

and inaccurately.
nice job boys.

but i should answer anything here?

and well its just a pipe,, not my frame pieces so that ok ..


bob wants to inform, like i said inform.

bob wants to crusade, crusade..

but lets keep a little reality in the mix.

good argument...i await bob's rebuttal...

Balaclava wrote:I've always thought you couldn't get a AF specific pipe or silencer from S/H unless you owned a Service Honda model AF?

Not true. I own a PC pipe purchased directly from SH for my home built Gen1. I had to email AJ to ask how to order it, but then again, SH may not give a shit about Gen1's since they are so old.

AJ wrote:ryan,
lmao!!
dude you've said lots of things before..
doesnt make all of them factual or relavent to this topic.



(you notice mike dint say a word in his replies about it at all.. )

like you avoiding my questions and bobs of your improvements to the bike and how are you going to improve your quality control? how many months has that been...you are giving ttm mike just an hour to reply...how fair.

AJ wrote:1.You know dang well , if rear tab relocation was the only thing, on pipes and silencers, then mikey would have simply done that on the stnandard CR500 pipes those companies already produce .

2.You dont plan to buy SH bikes, you dedicated a forum to how to build your own (thats fine)

3. if AJ slept with your wife or something...... lmao.. he set the tone.of this place to the point members felt i must have slept with his wife.

4.*bob* recently and fundamentally called me a thief in another thread.even for him that is pretty low.


5. having some understandable hard on for SH because anytime
they roll to the track or riding area
someone will inevetably ask if its a SH bike.

hey that would bug me too if i worked hard to build me own..
and that's part of the root of this.


6.so wether negatively or positively bikes here are still compared to a SH.
i'm not the one doing that, ya'll are.

7.bob if your motives are alturistic, and you crusaded long enough to think you were the one and only inspiration to somehow improve SH bikes ..
(boy can your net ego get any bigger bro?)

exactly what then?

Wow, so the gloves have come off.... ok. BTW, anyone think AJ really typed that all out. You suddenly learned a whole lot about grammar, and sentence structure.

1. My conversion uses a 100% OEM pipe. NOTHING is changed. I did think the rear tab was the only difference, anf I thought Mike bought pipes modified due to the plating issue after moving the tab. My fault for not having a Phd in 500AF pipe construction.

2. My forum is dedicated to members posting whatever they feel the need to, some of it is bike stuff, some is comedy, some is b.s.. There is no agenda here.

3. If I was you, I would want to sleep with my wife too, as yours has all that "barbed wire" tattoo shit all over her pussy. 1985 is long gone friend.

4. I called you a theif? Where? I've never said anything of the sort. All I've ever is your a nice guy, who should improve his product.

5. NO ONE has ever come up to me, or any other member of my riding group that owns A/F's ( to my knowlage) and asked if that was a S/H. Talk about

6. All bikes are being compared to TTM bikes. Thats the standard, not S/H. Times have changed.

7. My motive? I made good money, if fact... I make very good money. I could buy all the S/H's or TTM's I want. Allot of my members dont. Some of your customers might be saving for years to purchase one of your bikes. They might even live in a remote part of the world and purchase the bike, sight unseen. Excuse me for trying to do them a favor and have S/H raise the quality, or at least state thay wont. At this time, its pretty clear, you wont, and have no intention of ever doing so. Is it any wonder this site endorses TTM, even with the delivery delays associated with TTM? Many members have chosen to take the delays and receive a quality bike instead of doing business with S/H. COULD THERE BE ANY LOUDER OF A WAKE UP CALL TO YOU?

Is this what you wanted to see?





Sorry it took so long I had to charge my camera...

oh AJ my cell phone number is 949.201.9190

Exnav wrote:

Balaclava wrote:I've always thought you couldn't get a AF specific pipe or silencer from S/H unless you owned a Service Honda model AF?

Not true. I own a PC pipe purchased directly from SH for my home built Gen1. I had to email AJ to ask how to order it, but then again, SH may not give a shit about Gen1's since they are so old.

It must be a different part that i was thinking of that they won't give to anyone but their own customers...i can't remember what it was...