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[lewisclan]

WTF! are you kidding?

Nope we drove by there this morning on our way to church there where guys dressed up in dresses and waving rainbow flags, carring signs and the whole sa bang

[Balaclava]

wow is all i can say. Gay marriage has been legal where i'm from for a long while now. Never have i met a gay couple who were married. It seems like there is only a very few gay men who like to be on tv and fight for gay rights. i don't think alooot of them give a shit. Anyways when the law was being passed it was a little fucked up, but like that shit is old ass fuck news now and no one even notices it. btw I would love to drive a tank into that church that you are talking about, i can't believe that shit goes on, i'm so happy i've never seen it in person. Anyways chances are gays will have the right to be married in your country fairly soon, it'll piss you off at first, but it will have absolutely no negative impact on your children unless you fucking want it to be. Kids aren't being taught to be gay at school, you don't have much to worry about...

[teemtrubble]

Why would you want to drive a tank into that church?

Did you misread the post or something?

Are you serious?

Let me get this straight a bunch of fucking queers want to protest outside of a Christian church for gay rights which the church doesn't condone and considers same sex marriages a sin and you want to drive a tank through the church?

Or did I misunderstand Jay's post?

I know Jay's daughter wouldn't be going to a church that believed in same sex marriages she's a Christian.

[Balaclava]

haha i didn't mean drive it into the church! i meant drive it into the group of flaming homosexuals protesting in front of said church. totally worded it wrong. I don't have any problem with gay rights, i just can't handle flaming homos. I'm sorry, i do not want to drive a tank into a christian church, though i'm not religious i'm not an extremist. I only wanted to say that i hate looking at flaming fags, but at the same time i've nver really been exposed to them like the protesters at that church so it's really not even a topic up here anymore. I think that's how it will end up being in america as well...sorry if i offended you temporarily. i just used the tank as a metaphor to show my discomfort with flaming homosexuality not hatred toward the church.

[dannygraves]

how is that any bit different from a bunch of catholics standing in front of planned parenthood scaring the crap out of teen age girls and flashing around big blown up pics of partial birth abortions?!
people need to learn not to force their own opinions/values on others that either can't or care less to do anything about it. like bob said, they should be protesting to law makers!

[Exnav]

Anyways chances are gays will have the right to be married in your country fairly soon, it'll piss you off at first, but it will have absolutely no negative impact on your children unless you fucking want it to be. Kids aren't being taught to be gay at school, you don't have much to worry about...

I'm not so sure. It's a slow erosion of traditional values over time, then one day you wake up and your children are coming home with samples of Astro-Glide the school gave out in Health class. I'm skeptical that if you give the Homo-Terrorist's any leeway, that they will be happy and not want more.

[jbird_710]

What confuses me is, if the majority of the people don't want it, why don't the minority who does want it move to some place where the majority wants it? Sorta like the old joke Sam Kinison used to tell; if you bitch about not having food and you live in the desert, move to a place where you can grow food.

[teemtrubble]

[Balaclava]

Anyways chances are gays will have the right to be married in your country fairly soon, it'll piss you off at first, but it will have absolutely no negative impact on your children unless you fucking want it to be. Kids aren't being taught to be gay at school, you don't have much to worry about...

I'm not so sure. It's a slow erosion of traditional values over time, then one day you wake up and your children are coming home with samples of Astro-Glide the school gave out in Health class. I'm skeptical that if you give the Homo-Terrorist's any leeway, that they will be happy and not want more.

I seriously doubt that all of a sudden becoming gay will become the norm in our society ever! There is no way!! what is the percentage of gay people in america anyways? though it might be a high number (HA JK ) it will never be enough to have full blown effect on our children, if your kid ends up being gay when he's 15 it's because he was born that way. I've been exposed to all the gay television and gay actors and gay rights activists on the news etc and never once have i or anyone i know succombed to the masses of gay and joined their clique. I'm not a fag supporter i'm just trying to tell you that in-the-end i don't think it will have much of an impact whatsoever on the future if gays are allowed to get homo-married. and chances are they will be able to in the near future. it happened up here and in many other parts of the world already.

And Danny i was baptized catholic, but if i'd had the choice i wouldn't have been. Never once have i felt comfortable being labeled catholic. Don't get me started on catholicism! i could go on for hours...but who cares about religion it's such a ''gay'' topic.

[teemtrubble]

Balacava thanks for clearing up the tank comment for me.

[Exnav]

Anyways chances are gays will have the right to be married in your country fairly soon, it'll piss you off at first, but it will have absolutely no negative impact on your children unless you fucking want it to be. Kids aren't being taught to be gay at school, you don't have much to worry about...

I'm not so sure. It's a slow erosion of traditional values over time, then one day you wake up and your children are coming home with samples of Astro-Glide the school gave out in Health class. I'm skeptical that if you give the Homo-Terrorist's any leeway, that they will be happy and not want more.

I seriously doubt that all of a sudden becoming gay will become the norm in our society ever! There is no way!! what is the percentage of gay people in america anyways? though it might be a high number (HA JK ) it will never be enough to have full blown effect on our children, if your kid ends up being gay when he's 15 it's because he was born that way. I've been exposed to all the gay television and gay actors and gay rights activists on the news etc and never once have i or anyone i know succombed to the masses of gay and joined their clique. I'm not a fag supporter i'm just trying to tell you that in-the-end i don't think it will have much of an impact whatsoever on the future if gays are allowed to get homo-married. and chances are they will be able to in the near future. it happened up here and in many other parts of the world already.

And Danny i was baptized catholic, but if i'd had the choice i wouldn't have been. Never once have i felt comfortable being labeled catholic. Don't get me started on catholicism! i could go on for hours...but who cares about religion it's such a ''gay'' topic.

Again, I'm not so sure. For example.....You take kids and slowly over the course of years continue to expose them to urban culture, music, value system and it becomes normal for them and mainstream to a degree. Maybe that's not the best way to explain this.
My point is, that the more in your face and mainstream things become, the more it will be accepted and adopted as a standard practice.

[Balaclava]

Hasn't it been scientifically proven that gay people are born that way? and that it is not a choice? basing my information on that theory i still don't see how allowing gays to marry will turn people who would have otherwise been straight into gay people. I agree that the site of two dudes holding hands and kissing is awful, especially when they are publicly waving their dicks around to show just how fucking happy they are being gay. I however believe that if they are given the rights they are wanting, then all that bullshit will die down because there is no reason to be so public about it, when you've already won your argument with the govt. Anyways it's all nasty but it's worse when you try and tell them they can't have their marriage rights, and they protest at christian churches and mindfuck little kids. Let them do their thing in the comfort of their own home behind close doors, like i assume 95% of them want to be doing anyways.

[Exnav]

Dude, I've known a few homo's and staying behind closed doors is the last thing they wanted to do. Hell, if they had their way, they would be pounding each other in public places.

I just don't want to turn on MTV and see 2 dudes kissing.

I guess I am a dinosaur so to speak or probably like Dice Clay when he said "Get back in the closet".

Let em' live however they want, I don't want to have it in my face is all I really ask.

[AlisoBob]

Anyones sexuality..... gay, bi, straight, whatever.... should be your own business.

Your existance should not be centered around your sexual preference.

Nor should your existance center around your race......


It all getting quite sickening...

[britincali]

Anyones sexuality..... gay, bi, straight, whatever.... should be your own business.

Your existance should not be centered around your sexual preference.

Nor should your existance center around your race......


It all getting quite sickening...

God damn bob, post of the year!

[dannygraves]

[AlisoBob]

Losers....




Loser......



Loser....




Loser....


Be proud because you provide for your family

Be proud because you learned a new language

Be proud because you taught a kid to hit a curve ball

Be proud because you won " Best Student" at school

Be proud because you volenteered time at a Senior Center



Being proud for sucking dicks, or for the color of your skin.... or thinking your color is better than someone elses?

[Balaclava]

Hey that's me and my two buddies in that first pic!

Awesome post dude...i agree 100% with what you have said...

[lewisclan]

Anyones sexuality..... gay, bi, straight, whatever.... should be your own business.

Your existance should not be centered around your sexual preference.

Nor should your existance center around your race......


It all getting quite sickening...

I love you Bob

[Balaclava]

Anyones sexuality..... gay, bi, straight, whatever.... should be your own business.

Your existance should not be centered around your sexual preference.

Nor should your existance center around your race......


It all getting quite sickening...

I love you Bob

Why don't you get married then FAG!

HAHAHA JUSSST kidding man...

[Tayler89]

Again, I'm not so sure. For example.....You take kids and slowly over the course of years continue to expose them to urban culture, music, value system and it becomes normal for them and mainstream to a degree. Maybe that's not the best way to explain this.
My point is, that the more in your face and mainstream things become, the more it will be accepted and adopted as a standard practice.

The Apostle Paul clearly addresses the problem in 2 Timothy and Romans



“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; …Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away,” 2 Timothy 3:1, 5


This is very similar to how he described those in Rome


Romans 1:18 (KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



My purpose is not to start a religious debate, I just find it interesting how closely real life follows Bible history and prophecy.

Hasn't it been scientifically proven that gay people are born that way? and that it is not a choice?

Because you are uninformed I will be the one to inform you that there is no such proof. As a matter of fact quite the contrary.

I always find this statement amusing since those people who believe and buy into this absurd claim always seem to believe that the theory of evolution is also a fact. The fact that they actually believe this clearly demonstrates their ignorance/stupidity. The very theory Darwin proposed would have long since eliminated a trait that clearly does not reproduce.

[lewisclan]

that was like a breath of fresh air, looks like we have a soild believer on the board . thanks for speaking up and posting

[Balaclava]

Again, I'm not so sure. For example.....You take kids and slowly over the course of years continue to expose them to urban culture, music, value system and it becomes normal for them and mainstream to a degree. Maybe that's not the best way to explain this.
My point is, that the more in your face and mainstream things become, the more it will be accepted and adopted as a standard practice.

The Apostle Paul clearly addresses the problem in 2 Timothy and Romans



“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; …Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away,” 2 Timothy 3:1, 5


This is very similar to how he described those in Rome


Romans 1:18 (KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



My purpose is not to start a religious debate, I just find it interesting how closely real life follows Bible history and prophecy.

Hasn't it been scientifically proven that gay people are born that way? and that it is not a choice?

Because you are uninformed I will be the one to inform you that there is no such proof. As a matter of fact quite the contrary.

I always find this statement amusing since those people who believe and buy into this absurd claim always seem to believe that the theory of evolution is also a fact. The fact that they actually believe this clearly demonstrates their ignorance/stupidity. The very theory Darwin proposed would have long since eliminated a trait that clearly does not reproduce.

i appreciate the information...you can believe what you want to it's all good. You are right that i'm uninformed, i just figured that it's been proven since it seems the most logical scenario, basically i was asking if it was actually a fact. I am greatful you read my posts but i can't honestly comment on your opinion because it's just so much different then mine, and i don't want people to think I am a certain way and hate me for it when i'm actually just a cr500 rider and thats all i want people to think of me as...regardless thanks for the information. I agree with you religious people that fags are fucked up, but my entire point was that it will eventually be an issue of the past and ii feel it won't make barely any impact on american society that it hasn't already made.

[Tayler89]

i just figured that it's been proven since it seems the most logical scenario

I recently was reading some interesting information regarding human nature and statistics that you may or may not find interesting………..Chances are you won’t, but hopefully you’ll understand after I explain.

It is entitled “The Rule of Nine” and it states:

If a person has a preconceived notion about a topic and he/she is presented with clear, factual, empirical evidence to the contrary of that preconceived notion, 8 out of 9 people will continue believing there original perception.

This factual reality scared me, because I don’t want to be that irrational or illogical. So I got to thinking, how can I be sure that I don’t fall into that trap? The realistic answer is to be aware that we/I have this inherent tendency. This awareness now reminds me that I need to go where the facts take me, rather than just be blindly led by unsubstantiated beliefs. I admit it takes quite an effort on my part, but I am determined because I am trying desperately not to be the idiot that being one of the eight would make me.

My suggestion would be to try this technique….It could only help.

[Balaclava]

wow you are a very smart person